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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • "I'm staying with the Pacers."

    “I don't think about that,” Stephenson said after matching his regular season career high with 22 points while hitting a career-high five three-pointers in seven attempts. “It's a long season, I'm not thinking nothing about contracts. I'm going to stay with the Pacers, so I'm not even thinking about the contract.”

    Going to stay? Does that mean he would turn down a larger offer to re-sign?

    “I'm staying with the Pacers,” he said.
    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/futur...l73QG8.twitter
    "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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    Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

    I hope so. I used to have doubts about Lance, but my doubts have faded away for the most part. He even seems more mature this season.

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    • #3
      Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

      Hope we all remember this when Lance hits a bit of a rough patch during the season.
      Last edited by BobbyMac; 11-03-2013, 05:59 PM.

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      • #4
        Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

        Make sure you put Lance Stephenson: before that quote

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        • #5
          Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

          Take this with a grain of salt. Any player with any sense of PR would say something to that affect. Even if he does mean it, which I don't doubt that he does want to stay, he could easily change his mind by the time summer comes around and he is getting offers from other teams. The only important thing he said is he isn't thinking about it, which is exactly what you want. Once players start thinking about their next contract while they are playing is when your players stop thinking team first, and start thinking me first.

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          • #6
            Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
            Take this with a grain of salt. Any player with any sense of PR would say something to that affect. Even if he does mean it, which I don't doubt that he does want to stay, he could easily change his mind by the time summer comes around and he is getting offers from other teams. The only important thing he said is he isn't thinking about it, which is exactly what you want. Once players start thinking about their next contract while they are playing is when your players stop thinking team first, and start thinking me first.

            Yeah, didn't Roy used to stay this sort of stuff a couple of years ago? Then we all saw how he was ready to bolt for Portland in a heartbeat if the Pacers wouldn't have ponied up the cash. Priorities change when the $$$$$$ becomes reality.

            I don't doubt that Lance would prefer to stay here if all offers are equal. But make no mistake, he'll bolt in a heartbeat if someone is willing to give him more. He's been making absolute pennies by NBA standards while he's watched some teammates make double digit millions. It's finally going to be his time to cash in for himself and his family, and he will max it out as he should. This November quote is nice and all, but it will be meaningless in the off-season when teams are throwing money at him. Young dudes who are signing the first big contracts of their careers don't leave jack sitting on the table.

            You can be happy anywhere if you're getting paid millions to play a child's game. These guys can get over leaving a place pretty easily.
            Last edited by Sollozzo; 11-03-2013, 01:33 AM.

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            • #7
              Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

              Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
              Young dudes who are signing the first big contracts of their careers don't leave jack sitting on the table.
              I don't think that is 100% true, 99% true yes, but I don't think all players are only about the money. I just think it is a matter of degree. I don't think many would take a million or two less like older players might to be on a championship team. I can see players take 500k or 250k less in order to stay on a team that believed in him while everyone else passed on him, or in order to play on a team where he might play a bigger role, which could lead to a bigger contract down the line.

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              • #8
                Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

                This is good to hear. It sounds like he's going to let the Pacers play on some sort of restricted free agency with Lance. They'll negotiate directly with the Pacers, put out feelers for other teams that are interested, and they'll use what the other teams place his value at as a starting point for his negotiations with the Pacers.
                Time for a new sig.

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                • #9
                  Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

                  He'll stay if he is paid what he wants to be paid.

                  No doubt he prefers to stay here, though. Larry Bird and the Pacers believed in him when no one else did.

                  Plus Bird and him seem to be pretty close. When Bird was gone last year, he and Lance still exchanged text messages. He's Bird's boy, he ain't letting him go anywhere. Just hopefully we don't overpay.
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                    Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

                    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                    Take this with a grain of salt. Any player with any sense of PR would say something to that affect. Even if he does mean it, which I don't doubt that he does want to stay, he could easily change his mind by the time summer comes around and he is getting offers from other teams. The only important thing he said is he isn't thinking about it, which is exactly what you want. Once players start thinking about their next contract while they are playing is when your players stop thinking team first, and start thinking me first.
                    I agree. However, it's still a pretty big positive, IMO. Considering that maturity has been the big question with Lance (remember the choke sign), having him provide a savvy, mature, team centric answer is just another good indication that he may be becoming a "pro". We've always knew he had significant talent. We are now are seeing him put it together on and off the court.

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                      Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

                      Originally posted by Lord Helmet View Post
                      Plus Bird and him seem to be pretty close. When Bird was gone last year, he and Lance still exchanged text messages. He's Bird's boy, he ain't letting him go anywhere. Just hopefully we don't overpay.
                      Yep. I think Bird coming back is really the thing that makes Lance want to stay here, given the relationship between the two. Bird has believed in Lance since day one, despite any distractions occurring along the way. Having that type of presence, especially one the caliber of Larry, goes a long way.

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                      • #12
                        Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

                        I do not doubt that there is loyalty from Lance to the Pacers......if not mostly to Bird himself, but IMHO....everything comes down to $$$$.

                        Given that Lance will become a UFA in July 2014....what advantage does that Pacers have over other Teams to re-sign Lance ( if any )?
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          I do not doubt that there is loyalty from Lance to the Pacers......if not mostly to Bird himself, but IMHO....everything comes down to $$$$.

                          Given that Lance will become a UFA in July 2014....what advantage does that Pacers have over other Teams to re-sign Lance ( if any )?
                          I honestly think that it's less a sentiment of loyalty and more that he likes playing for Vogel and with this team.
                          Time for a new sig.

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                          • #14
                            Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

                            I think all this means is that hes not going to want to leave as long as we are willing to pay him like other teams. Where as Gordon wanted to leave NO, so much that he didn't want them to match the Suns offer.

                            Good to hear. He probably recognizes what him and George can do the next couple years.

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                              Re: "I'm staying with the Pacers."

                              Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                              I honestly think that it's less a sentiment of loyalty and more that he likes playing for Vogel and with this team.
                              Could be...but the impression that I get is that Lance and Bird has a very strong "Father/Son" relationship ( in relation to Lance's NBA career ) citing the many times that Bird has praised Lance, his development and even when Bird was off during the Year the times he kept in touch with him. I wouldn't be surprised if Lance does re-sign with the Pacers that he immediately sites his relationship with Bird as one of the key factors as to why he chose to stay with the Team.
                              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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