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The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

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  • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

    Pau Gasol should be in the HOF. The Lakers were getting bounced in the first round before he came along and turned them into an immediate title contender. Made three straight NBA Finals and won two rings. He'll have great career numbers by the time he is done.

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    • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

      Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
      If Bosh had made some deep playoff runs with Toronto, he might have a case. Chasing rings with 2 HOFers in Wade and James will not get him in the HOF
      He's not chasing rings, he's absolutely a key piece to Miami winning championships. No Bosh, no title. Simple as that.

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      • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
        I see your point, but Paul Gasol just doesn't seem like a "legendary" player to me. He is close though
        He isn't a legendary NBA player but he definitely will be remember as one of the best FIBA players. Let me list some of his accolades.

        International awards:

        -Won gold medal in the 2006 FIBA World Cup

        -Won 2 gold medals in the 2009 and 2011 FIBA EuroBasket

        International individual accolades:

        -FIBA World Cup MVP (2006)

        -FIBA EuroBasket MVP (2009)

        -FIBA Europe Player of the Year x2 (2008, 2009)

        -Mister Europa Player of the Year x2 (2004, 2009)

        -Euroscar Player of the Year x3 (2008, 2009, 2010)

        -All-Europeans Player of the Year x2 (2009, 2010)

        NBA individual accolades:

        -NBA All-Star x4 (2006, 2009, 2010, 2011)

        NBA titles:

        -NBA Champion x2 (2009, 2010)

        And he also has several other titles and awards (All-NBA teams, Spanish League titles, Spanish League Finals MVP etc). That's absolutely Hall of Fame material. Arvydas Sabonis made the Hall of Fame with less NBA accolades but more European accolades.
        Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
        Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

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        Originally posted by IrishPacer
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        • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

          Bosh is a lock for the Hall of Fame. Whether you think he should get in is a different question, but his career could end today and he'd make it. Pau too.

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          • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

            Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
            Green is not a good player on contending teams.
            I don't thing that it has to do with whether a team is contending or not. I'm pretty sure that it has to do with the pace that this team plays at. I could see GG playing well in Golden State and OKC, two contending teams that run a lot. He just wasn't a good fit for our slow-paced offense.
            Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
            Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

            Panopticon

            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

              Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
              He's not chasing rings, he's absolutely a key piece to Miami winning championships. No Bosh, no title. Simple as that.
              I agree with you. JMO, but Bosh has given up more individual recognition than either LBJ or Wade to achieve team success. If he had stayed at TOR or gone someplace else, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He would have been a lock for the HOF.

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              • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                Bosh is a lock for the Hall of Fame. Whether you think he should get in is a different question, but his career could end today and he'd make it.

                I don't see it, no way. He is just so wack. He's like a slightly-more-in-shape Troy Murphy.

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                • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                  Bosh has made like one All-NBA team. For me, that's not Hall of Fame quality. If he can't be one of the top 6 forwards in the league for multiple years, then he's not a Hall of Famer. He'll get in though.

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                  • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                    Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                    I agree with you. JMO, but Bosh has given up more individual recognition than either LBJ or Wade to achieve team success. If he had stayed at TOR or gone someplace else, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He would have been a lock for the HOF.
                    No way, he would not be a HoF candidate if not on the Heat. His numbers even on the Raptors wouldn't have been enough alone. The titles really help him out, I don't think Dirk would be a definent lock for the hall if he didn't have the 2011 title. Bosh would be pretty much a longer lasting JO. He would've had to of waited for Chris Webber to get in and I don't think that will ever happen. Reggie and C Webb had pretty similar careers at different positions, Webber bigger numbers, Reggie has the playoff moments that bring him over the top.
                    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                    ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                    • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                      Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                      Bosh has made like one All-NBA team. For me, that's not Hall of Fame quality.
                      A bit unfair though. Guys who are the best player on average to good teams made it ahead of Bosh because he decided he wanted to win championships in his prime instead of making a string of second and third All NBA teams. David Lee made the All NBA team last year. Bosh is better on offense (Lee's one skill) and miles better than him on defense.

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                      • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                        Looking at these All NBA teams from the last few years I can't believe Bosh hasn't made it. I like Blake a lot but how is he making it in front of Bosh. Kevin Love too. Really the only power forwards I'd take over him are Dirk and Duncan.

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                        • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                          Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
                          Watching Suns broadcast...announcers talk about Pacers trade, say Scola is playing great, but that they got fleeced, bragging about Green. He works in a crazy fast team, on the Pacers he was useless, still takes crazy *** shots on the Suns, just has made more of them this year.
                          I like the Suns. They are a fun, young team. I am glad they feel like they did well with the trade. Honestly though, we could make the same 'fleecing' argument the other way around.

                          Scola has been absolutely ENORMOUS for us.

                          Yeah, Miles and Gerald are playing better in a fast paced offense, where they don't have anyone else to throw out there. I'm truly happy for them. They were both likable guys and pros.

                          But, I have not missed either one of them for one single, solitary second (from a on-court Bball POV). Scola, however. I can't imagine this team without him now. A steady, incredibly solid backup presence who has single-handedly kept us in games this season on a few occasions.

                          This is one of those rare "both teams did well" trades. Similar to the Hill/Leonard trade.

                          Anyways, all that to say. Glad the Suns fans/announcers feel like the 'fleeced' us. Happy for our former guys. But we did REALLY well on that trade, too.

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                          • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                            With both in their primes I'd take JO over Bosh quickly.

                            Pretty good comparison though.

                            JO was much stronger. He was also more effective against centers, though both men were better suited for the four spot.
                            Oneal in his prime could play better than almost all starters in the league at the four or the five. If it weren't for seeing him outmatched several times a year by Garnet you would think him very special indeed.
                            He would have been fairly effective against both DWEST and Roy on both ends. Not many guys can do that. Certainly not Bosh. (prime Garnet abuses them all, sorry to say).
                            If JO would have had a longer peak I'd put him in the Hall. With Bosh - he likely will make it - but I'm with the guy who said it's not the Hall of the Very Good.
                            Last edited by solid; 12-31-2013, 06:50 AM.

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                            • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                              I seem to remember JO only having one year where he was hands down better than Bosh, when he was in Toronto... The rest of the years it was debatable...
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                              • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                                Is Webber not in the HOF? Webber is clearly better than Bosh. So is Rasheed Wallace. Bosh would need to do more than win rings as the 3rd option
                                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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