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OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

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  • OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

    Tonight will be an interesting night indeed.

    Anywhere from 2001-2003, he'd have been booed out of the building.

    Tonight though, I think he'll get a standing ovation. I hated the guy myself, but I cant bring myself to boo the guy, he's been through too much.

    I think when your wife gets MS and your incompetent doctors nearly KILL you (guess we now know why Grant tried to pay the pistons training staff to follow him to Orlando), that goes far beyond the game.

    Tonight is his first night in the Palace since he wore a Pistons uni, certainly a landmark day in the 2005 season.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

    Since it's NBA still, you don't have to put OT if you don't want to.

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    • #3
      Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

      If I were a Pistons fan I would give him a huge ovation

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      • #4
        Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

        I don't know how anyone can hate Grant Hill.

        I'd be giving him a standing ovation.

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        • #5
          Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

          Why did you hate him, KStat?

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          • #6
            Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

            I am posting a piece of writing from what can only be labeled as a "Detroit media fan site" (they call it a "ragzine"). Its hostile and probably goes too far but thats their shtick and it sums up well why a lot of Piston fans don't like Hill. Its not as easy as "Look what he's been through, cheer him." Everyone applauds what Hill got himself through but cheering him in the Palace would be voicing my approval of a lot more than just that.

            To preface it I would just like to extend this metaphor. If you think of the Piston organization at that time as a sinking ship. Then Hill was supposed to be the Captain (going down with it and stearing it through the hard times) but instead he fled like the other rats.

            (btw, the "other rats" would be bandwagon fans)


            http://www.detroitsportsrag.com/arti...hatedlist5.asp
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            There shouldn’t be much suspense left now. After spending the entire week counting down the DSR’s 20 Most Hated Athletes in honor of Grant Hill’s return tonight at the Palace, you had to know “Gimpy Albatross” was getting the top slot.

            And this isn’t some sort of gimmick. If we did this list two years ago, six weeks from now or whenever, Hill was going to get the most hated crown.

            And while there will be plenty of Pistons fans in attendance tonight giving Hill a nice ovation, you can be SURE AS HELL the members of the DSR won’t be included in that group. (Well, Radner probably will give him a nice hand, but that just proves our point.)

            While most illogical Pistons fans have forgiven Gimpy Albatross for backstabbing the city and following his wife, Tamia, to Disney World because the Pistons ended up winning the title last year, we aren’t that gullible or naïve.

            We love the argument that all should be forgiven because the Pistons ended up getting the best of the Grant Hill deal in the end. Well, some of us have memories and brains and we vividly remember the day that Hill put a gun to his next door neighbor Joe Dumars’ head and forced him to complete the sign-and-trade with the Magic.

            I can remember the deal like it was yesterday and watching Channel 7’s Don Shane announce the transaction. He mentioned that Hill was gone and then briefly mentioned that in return the Pistons had acquired some guys named Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace. Shane’s comment after announcing the trade?

            “Yeah .. that’s a fair deal for the Pistons.” (I can’t be 100% sure, but I think that comment was followed by some forced laughter by Diana Lewis.)

            Like Gregg Schultz wrote earlier this week on this site, Hill wasn’t trying to help the Pistons get better by leaving. He was still busy recruiting Tim Duncan to Orlando to join him in what they thought would be a dynasty for years to come.

            Just because Hill couldn’t get his Sprite pal to leave S.A. and join him …..

            Just because Hill’s ankle injury debilitated him for years to come …...

            Just because Ben Wallace turned into a monster rebounder and defensive freak ….

            Just because Chucky Atkins turned into a serviceable point guard that helped the Pistons trade for Rasheed Wallace ….

            Just because Doc Rivers wanted to get rid of Gimpy Albatross and his burdensome contract while he was still in Orlando ….

            And just because the Pistons ended up winning the 2004 NBA Title without Hill, DOESN’T MEAN THAT ALL SHOULD BE FORGIVEN AND FORGOTTEN!

            You people want to do that, so be it. We here at the DSR actually called the Orlando Sentinel after the Pistons Game 5 victory against the Lakers last summer to inquire about how much it would cost to take out a full page ad in their paper stating:

            Thanks Grant ‘Gimpy Albatross’ Hill

            We couldn’t have won it WITH YOU!

            You see, time hasn’t erased our memories of what happened over four years ago.

            We haven’t forgotten the following:

            That Hill put on a charade for his entire free-agent season by never really telling the Pistons what his intentions really were.

            That he misled Dumars into believing that he was staying which led to the team selecting Mateen Cleaves instead of Morris Peterson and re-hiring “his” coach, George Irvine.

            That he put the kibosh on a potential trade of Jerry Stackhouse for a just entering the league Stevie Francis, because Hill didn’t want to “rebuild” with a rookie. Things sure came full circle for Hill on that one, huh?

            That his wife was upset that owner Bill Davidson “disrespected” her the year Hill was going to be unrestricted and that Tamia wanted to leave Detroit to pursue a musical career.

            That he couldn’t be a man and tell Dumars that he was leaving even though he could have just walked over to Joe’s house and rang the door bell.

            That he told Tracy McGrady to win the Pistons-Magic first round series at the Palace in Game 5 so the Pistons fans could experience the loss first hand. Just remember this one in particular when you are applauding the little ***** tonight.

            That he publicly badmouthed Dumars before this season by questioning why Joe was being a hypocrite for complaining about the Pistons management for years (at the end of Joe’s career) and then doing a 180 and trying to sell him on staying in Detroit. Uh, Gimpy, maybe because Dumars was in control at that point and maybe Joe thought things would be different.

            Grant Hill left Detroit for a few reasons and NONE OF THEM WERE BECAUSE HE THOUGHT BEN WALLACE WOULD TURN INTO AN MVP CANDIDATE AND THAT IT WOULD HELP THE PISTONS WIN A LARRY O’BRIEN TROPHY SO STOP ****ING SAYING THAT!

            All of this love for what? A guy who did all of the above and never, ever, ever, ever won a playoff series in Detroit.

            And please don’t tell me that he was a one-man show and couldn’t do it all himself because the team was devoid of talent.

            Tell that to Allen Iverson who got to an NBA Finals or Vince Carter who reached the Eastern Conference Finals one season.

            And we weren’t even asking for that, we just wanted a damn playoff series win. Something Gimpy Albatross has yet to experience to this freaking day!(And we can only hope that this pattern continues for the rest of his career.)

            The guy was a phony when he was in town and that is why this city never really embraced him. Hell, NBA fans from around the country like GHILL better than basketball fans in Detroit.

            Going on WDIV-4 with Carmen Harlan and yucking it up made us want to collectively vomit in our own mouths. PHONY!

            Taking out a full page newspaper ad thanking the city of Detroit while he thought he was sailing off to a panacea of basketball success, music studios and a place with no state income tax? PHONY!

            Going on WDFN’s Third Shift with Eric Pate and Sean Baligian for the time equivalent of a Jerry Lewis telethon? (You think Hill wanted to be there, for Vick sake, Baligian didn’t want to be there!) PHONY!

            The guy could never relate to the average basketball fan in Detroit because he was a freaking phony. You want proof?

            He was great friends with Mitch “Condescending Baggins” Albom when he was in town. Just go read how the pair hopped, skipped and jumped around shopping for houses back in the day in this Frodo column.

            You want out-of-touch? Just start hanging out with Albom.

            People with short memories will be saluting Gimpy Albatross tonight. (And Carmen Harlan of course.)

            Real Pistons fans who know exactly what went down will be booing like they should.

            You want to give the guy a real salute when he comes out?

            Start hopping around on one ankle.

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              Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

              Originally posted by RSmits
              Why did you hate him, KStat?
              When he lied to the face of Joe Dumars, and left without even paying him the courtesy of a PHONE CALL, I think everyone in Detroit hated him. We had a right to.

              But, things chance. Thats not enough reaosn to still aheta guy over all this.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

              Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
              Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
              NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

                Originally posted by Fool
                I am posting a piece of writing from what can only be labeled as a "Detroit media fan site" (they call it a "ragzine"). Its hostile and probably goes too far but thats their shtick and it sums up well why a lot of Piston fans don't like Hill. Its not as easy as "Look what he's been through, cheer him." Everyone applauds what Hill got himself through but cheering him in the Palace would be voicing my approval of a lot more than just that.

                To preface it I would just like to extend this metaphor. If you think of the Piston organization at that time as a sinking ship. Then Hill was supposed to be the Captain (going down with it and stearing it through the hard times) but instead he fled like the other rats.

                (btw, the "other rats" would be bandwagon fans)


                http://www.detroitsportsrag.com/arti...hatedlist5.asp
                --------------------------------------------------------------------


                There shouldn’t be much suspense left now. After spending the entire week counting down the DSR’s 20 Most Hated Athletes in honor of Grant Hill’s return tonight at the Palace, you had to know “Gimpy Albatross” was getting the top slot.

                And this isn’t some sort of gimmick. If we did this list two years ago, six weeks from now or whenever, Hill was going to get the most hated crown.

                And while there will be plenty of Pistons fans in attendance tonight giving Hill a nice ovation, you can be SURE AS HELL the members of the DSR won’t be included in that group. (Well, Radner probably will give him a nice hand, but that just proves our point.)

                While most illogical Pistons fans have forgiven Gimpy Albatross for backstabbing the city and following his wife, Tamia, to Disney World because the Pistons ended up winning the title last year, we aren’t that gullible or naïve.

                We love the argument that all should be forgiven because the Pistons ended up getting the best of the Grant Hill deal in the end. Well, some of us have memories and brains and we vividly remember the day that Hill put a gun to his next door neighbor Joe Dumars’ head and forced him to complete the sign-and-trade with the Magic.

                I can remember the deal like it was yesterday and watching Channel 7’s Don Shane announce the transaction. He mentioned that Hill was gone and then briefly mentioned that in return the Pistons had acquired some guys named Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace. Shane’s comment after announcing the trade?

                “Yeah .. that’s a fair deal for the Pistons.” (I can’t be 100% sure, but I think that comment was followed by some forced laughter by Diana Lewis.)

                Like Gregg Schultz wrote earlier this week on this site, Hill wasn’t trying to help the Pistons get better by leaving. He was still busy recruiting Tim Duncan to Orlando to join him in what they thought would be a dynasty for years to come.

                Just because Hill couldn’t get his Sprite pal to leave S.A. and join him …..

                Just because Hill’s ankle injury debilitated him for years to come …...

                Just because Ben Wallace turned into a monster rebounder and defensive freak ….

                Just because Chucky Atkins turned into a serviceable point guard that helped the Pistons trade for Rasheed Wallace ….

                Just because Doc Rivers wanted to get rid of Gimpy Albatross and his burdensome contract while he was still in Orlando ….

                And just because the Pistons ended up winning the 2004 NBA Title without Hill, DOESN’T MEAN THAT ALL SHOULD BE FORGIVEN AND FORGOTTEN!

                You people want to do that, so be it. We here at the DSR actually called the Orlando Sentinel after the Pistons Game 5 victory against the Lakers last summer to inquire about how much it would cost to take out a full page ad in their paper stating:

                Thanks Grant ‘Gimpy Albatross’ Hill

                We couldn’t have won it WITH YOU!

                You see, time hasn’t erased our memories of what happened over four years ago.

                We haven’t forgotten the following:

                That Hill put on a charade for his entire free-agent season by never really telling the Pistons what his intentions really were.

                That he misled Dumars into believing that he was staying which led to the team selecting Mateen Cleaves instead of Morris Peterson and re-hiring “his” coach, George Irvine.

                That he put the kibosh on a potential trade of Jerry Stackhouse for a just entering the league Stevie Francis, because Hill didn’t want to “rebuild” with a rookie. Things sure came full circle for Hill on that one, huh?

                That his wife was upset that owner Bill Davidson “disrespected” her the year Hill was going to be unrestricted and that Tamia wanted to leave Detroit to pursue a musical career.

                That he couldn’t be a man and tell Dumars that he was leaving even though he could have just walked over to Joe’s house and rang the door bell.

                That he told Tracy McGrady to win the Pistons-Magic first round series at the Palace in Game 5 so the Pistons fans could experience the loss first hand. Just remember this one in particular when you are applauding the little ***** tonight.

                That he publicly badmouthed Dumars before this season by questioning why Joe was being a hypocrite for complaining about the Pistons management for years (at the end of Joe’s career) and then doing a 180 and trying to sell him on staying in Detroit. Uh, Gimpy, maybe because Dumars was in control at that point and maybe Joe thought things would be different.

                Grant Hill left Detroit for a few reasons and NONE OF THEM WERE BECAUSE HE THOUGHT BEN WALLACE WOULD TURN INTO AN MVP CANDIDATE AND THAT IT WOULD HELP THE PISTONS WIN A LARRY O’BRIEN TROPHY SO STOP ****ING SAYING THAT!

                All of this love for what? A guy who did all of the above and never, ever, ever, ever won a playoff series in Detroit.

                And please don’t tell me that he was a one-man show and couldn’t do it all himself because the team was devoid of talent.

                Tell that to Allen Iverson who got to an NBA Finals or Vince Carter who reached the Eastern Conference Finals one season.

                And we weren’t even asking for that, we just wanted a damn playoff series win. Something Gimpy Albatross has yet to experience to this freaking day!(And we can only hope that this pattern continues for the rest of his career.)

                The guy was a phony when he was in town and that is why this city never really embraced him. Hell, NBA fans from around the country like GHILL better than basketball fans in Detroit.

                Going on WDIV-4 with Carmen Harlan and yucking it up made us want to collectively vomit in our own mouths. PHONY!

                Taking out a full page newspaper ad thanking the city of Detroit while he thought he was sailing off to a panacea of basketball success, music studios and a place with no state income tax? PHONY!

                Going on WDFN’s Third Shift with Eric Pate and Sean Baligian for the time equivalent of a Jerry Lewis telethon? (You think Hill wanted to be there, for Vick sake, Baligian didn’t want to be there!) PHONY!

                The guy could never relate to the average basketball fan in Detroit because he was a freaking phony. You want proof?

                He was great friends with Mitch “Condescending Baggins” Albom when he was in town. Just go read how the pair hopped, skipped and jumped around shopping for houses back in the day in this Frodo column.

                You want out-of-touch? Just start hanging out with Albom.

                People with short memories will be saluting Gimpy Albatross tonight. (And Carmen Harlan of course.)

                Real Pistons fans who know exactly what went down will be booing like they should.

                You want to give the guy a real salute when he comes out?

                Start hopping around on one ankle.
                That's a horribly written article. I would not go around propping up that piece of trash.

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                  Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

                  Originally posted by Fool
                  I am posting a piece of writing from what can only be labeled as a "Detroit media fan site" (they call it a "ragzine"). Its hostile and probably goes too far but thats their shtick and it sums up well why a lot of Piston fans don't like Hill. Its not as easy as "Look what he's been through, cheer him." Everyone applauds what Hill got himself through but cheering him in the Palace would be voicing my approval of a lot more than just that.

                  To preface it I would just like to extend this metaphor. If you think of the Piston organization at that time as a sinking ship. Then Hill was supposed to be the Captain (going down with it and stearing it through the hard times) but instead he fled like the other rats.

                  (btw, the "other rats" would be bandwagon fans)


                  http://www.detroitsportsrag.com/arti...hatedlist5.asp
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                  There shouldn’t be much suspense left now. After spending the entire week counting down the DSR’s 20 Most Hated Athletes in honor of Grant Hill’s return tonight at the Palace, you had to know “Gimpy Albatross” was getting the top slot.

                  And this isn’t some sort of gimmick. If we did this list two years ago, six weeks from now or whenever, Hill was going to get the most hated crown.

                  And while there will be plenty of Pistons fans in attendance tonight giving Hill a nice ovation, you can be SURE AS HELL the members of the DSR won’t be included in that group. (Well, Radner probably will give him a nice hand, but that just proves our point.)

                  While most illogical Pistons fans have forgiven Gimpy Albatross for backstabbing the city and following his wife, Tamia, to Disney World because the Pistons ended up winning the title last year, we aren’t that gullible or naïve.

                  We love the argument that all should be forgiven because the Pistons ended up getting the best of the Grant Hill deal in the end. Well, some of us have memories and brains and we vividly remember the day that Hill put a gun to his next door neighbor Joe Dumars’ head and forced him to complete the sign-and-trade with the Magic.

                  I can remember the deal like it was yesterday and watching Channel 7’s Don Shane announce the transaction. He mentioned that Hill was gone and then briefly mentioned that in return the Pistons had acquired some guys named Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace. Shane’s comment after announcing the trade?

                  “Yeah .. that’s a fair deal for the Pistons.” (I can’t be 100% sure, but I think that comment was followed by some forced laughter by Diana Lewis.)

                  Like Gregg Schultz wrote earlier this week on this site, Hill wasn’t trying to help the Pistons get better by leaving. He was still busy recruiting Tim Duncan to Orlando to join him in what they thought would be a dynasty for years to come.

                  Just because Hill couldn’t get his Sprite pal to leave S.A. and join him …..

                  Just because Hill’s ankle injury debilitated him for years to come …...

                  Just because Ben Wallace turned into a monster rebounder and defensive freak ….

                  Just because Chucky Atkins turned into a serviceable point guard that helped the Pistons trade for Rasheed Wallace ….

                  Just because Doc Rivers wanted to get rid of Gimpy Albatross and his burdensome contract while he was still in Orlando ….

                  And just because the Pistons ended up winning the 2004 NBA Title without Hill, DOESN’T MEAN THAT ALL SHOULD BE FORGIVEN AND FORGOTTEN!

                  You people want to do that, so be it. We here at the DSR actually called the Orlando Sentinel after the Pistons Game 5 victory against the Lakers last summer to inquire about how much it would cost to take out a full page ad in their paper stating:

                  Thanks Grant ‘Gimpy Albatross’ Hill

                  We couldn’t have won it WITH YOU!

                  You see, time hasn’t erased our memories of what happened over four years ago.

                  We haven’t forgotten the following:

                  That Hill put on a charade for his entire free-agent season by never really telling the Pistons what his intentions really were.

                  That he misled Dumars into believing that he was staying which led to the team selecting Mateen Cleaves instead of Morris Peterson and re-hiring “his” coach, George Irvine.

                  That he put the kibosh on a potential trade of Jerry Stackhouse for a just entering the league Stevie Francis, because Hill didn’t want to “rebuild” with a rookie. Things sure came full circle for Hill on that one, huh?

                  That his wife was upset that owner Bill Davidson “disrespected” her the year Hill was going to be unrestricted and that Tamia wanted to leave Detroit to pursue a musical career.

                  That he couldn’t be a man and tell Dumars that he was leaving even though he could have just walked over to Joe’s house and rang the door bell.

                  That he told Tracy McGrady to win the Pistons-Magic first round series at the Palace in Game 5 so the Pistons fans could experience the loss first hand. Just remember this one in particular when you are applauding the little ***** tonight.

                  That he publicly badmouthed Dumars before this season by questioning why Joe was being a hypocrite for complaining about the Pistons management for years (at the end of Joe’s career) and then doing a 180 and trying to sell him on staying in Detroit. Uh, Gimpy, maybe because Dumars was in control at that point and maybe Joe thought things would be different.

                  Grant Hill left Detroit for a few reasons and NONE OF THEM WERE BECAUSE HE THOUGHT BEN WALLACE WOULD TURN INTO AN MVP CANDIDATE AND THAT IT WOULD HELP THE PISTONS WIN A LARRY O’BRIEN TROPHY SO STOP ****ING SAYING THAT!

                  All of this love for what? A guy who did all of the above and never, ever, ever, ever won a playoff series in Detroit.

                  And please don’t tell me that he was a one-man show and couldn’t do it all himself because the team was devoid of talent.

                  Tell that to Allen Iverson who got to an NBA Finals or Vince Carter who reached the Eastern Conference Finals one season.

                  And we weren’t even asking for that, we just wanted a damn playoff series win. Something Gimpy Albatross has yet to experience to this freaking day!(And we can only hope that this pattern continues for the rest of his career.)

                  The guy was a phony when he was in town and that is why this city never really embraced him. Hell, NBA fans from around the country like GHILL better than basketball fans in Detroit.

                  Going on WDIV-4 with Carmen Harlan and yucking it up made us want to collectively vomit in our own mouths. PHONY!

                  Taking out a full page newspaper ad thanking the city of Detroit while he thought he was sailing off to a panacea of basketball success, music studios and a place with no state income tax? PHONY!

                  Going on WDFN’s Third Shift with Eric Pate and Sean Baligian for the time equivalent of a Jerry Lewis telethon? (You think Hill wanted to be there, for Vick sake, Baligian didn’t want to be there!) PHONY!

                  The guy could never relate to the average basketball fan in Detroit because he was a freaking phony. You want proof?

                  He was great friends with Mitch “Condescending Baggins” Albom when he was in town. Just go read how the pair hopped, skipped and jumped around shopping for houses back in the day in this Frodo column.

                  You want out-of-touch? Just start hanging out with Albom.

                  People with short memories will be saluting Gimpy Albatross tonight. (And Carmen Harlan of course.)

                  Real Pistons fans who know exactly what went down will be booing like they should.

                  You want to give the guy a real salute when he comes out?

                  Start hopping around on one ankle.
                  Thanks fool. Why dont you post a pic of a Pistons fan throwing beer while you're at it.

                  There are plenty of ways to sum up why we hated hill without resorting to this piece of trash.

                  FYI, the detroitsportsrag is nothing but shock-talk. Nobody takes these idiots seriosuly.

                  I sincerely doubt Hill will get booed tonight.

                  It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                  • #10
                    Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

                    First, the two replies to me had to have either read what I quoted already or simply didn't read it at all because you simply couldn't have read it that fast.

                    Second, while I agree that the detroitsportsrag is a bunch of overly hostile fanatics I am not promoting them. I posted it because it lists all the crap Hill did. (As for taking them seriously, how serious can anyone take arguments posted on an internet fan site?)

                    Third, how is this even relatable to the Palace brawl or posting a pic of a guy throwing beer? This isn't aimed at Pacer fans and doesn't support any sort of physical action against anyone.

                    Finally, I think the last line goes to far but aside from that whats so terrible? People here know that some fans are hostile when writing things on the internet and like to throw insults around (Indy Star forums anyone?).

                    The fact remains it does a good job of listing most (if not all) the bs Hill did while he was here and why I don't agree with the nation of people, who didn't watch him screw over the Pistons, that he is an A#1 guy in every way.

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                    • #11
                      Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

                      Second, while I agree that the detroitsportsrag is a bunch of overly hostile fanatics I am not promoting them. I posted it because it lists all the crap Hill did.

                      Third, how is this even relatable to the Palace brawl or posting a pic of a guy throwing beer? This isn't aimed at Pacer fans or anything.
                      Hmm....over hostile fanatics.....fans throwing beer.....overly hostile fanatics....fans throwing beer.....

                      Um, you DO realize that if the Pistons fans DO boo Grant Hill, it will be all over every TV station on earth, right? They'll probably show it side-by-side with the brawl footage, just for kicks.....

                      Finally, I think the last line goes to far but aside from that whats so terrible? People here know that some fans are hostile when writing things on the internet and like to throw insults around (Indy Star forums anyone?).
                      Agreed. So go post it at Indystar.

                      The fact remains it does a good job of listing most (if not all) the bs Hill did while he was here and why I don't agree with the nation of people who didn't watch him screw over the Pistons that he is an A#1 guy in every way.
                      Once again, agreed. There was a good reason why Hill was loved in every city except the city he PLAYED in.

                      I summed up everything in 5 sentences. I didnt need to go that far.

                      However, now that you posted that, you just made Grant Hill the #2 topic in this thread. Thats the LAST place I wanted to go with this.

                      Hicks, could you please delete this thread? I wish I could, but Im not a mod.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                      • #12
                        Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

                        You made the thread Kstat. I didn't hijack it with my post. Obviously you DID want the topic on here.

                        Its a HUGE stretch to compare me posting this to me posting a pic of a fan throwing a cup (which would be a blatant and open antagonising gesture toward the Pacer fans here).

                        I posted it because I didn't want to write my version of it (a less hostile one). I am in no way trying to get that sort of hostility at the IS forums here and I don't think you should worry about this one posting causing that. I'm pretty sure these people are a little more solid of character than that.

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                        • #13
                          Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

                          Oh, and in no way did you sum up the list in 5 sentences. In no way does your "the fans of the team he played for don't like him" go to show WHY they don't (and neither does your "he didn't call JoeD so thats why I didn't like him").

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                          • #14
                            Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

                            Dude, that article offended ME. And Im a huge Pistons fan.

                            His wife has MS.

                            He nearly DIED because of his doctors.

                            How any human being can boo that, i'll never understand.

                            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                            • #15
                              Re: OT: Grant Hill returns to Detroit for the first time in 5 years....

                              This is a Pacer forum (man, everyone does like to tell you that ) I assume that a lot of people here don't know what Hill did to the Piston organization. I thought the preface to it was enough for any who might be offended but apparantly not. Sorry that I reposted something that offended you but honestly I think you are holding the sites previous crap over this quoted section as I don't think there is much to be offended over in it.

                              Originally posted by Kstat
                              How any human being can boo that, i'll never understand.
                              Originally posted by Kstat
                              Tonight will be an interesting night indeed.

                              Anywhere from 2001-2003, he'd have been booed out of the building.

                              Tonight though, I think he'll get a standing ovation. I hated the guy myself, but I cant bring myself to boo the guy, he's been through too much.

                              I think when your wife gets MS and your incompetent doctors nearly KILL you (guess we now know why Grant tried to pay the pistons training staff to follow him to Orlando), that goes far beyond the game.

                              Tonight is his first night in the Palace since he wore a Pistons uni, certainly a landmark day in the 2005 season.
                              You clearly do understand it and you very well know that no one is booing his supporting his wife or his coming back from injury. I think highly of both those things. But cheering in the Palace for the guy is supporting the man for what he did to the Pistons. But you already do understand that.

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