The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

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  • #61
    Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

    Originally posted by btownpacer
    Perhaps Kstat would care to put that cookie in the shoe he'll be eating?
    Oh no you don't.

    If I'm going down, I'm not going alone, you know........i'll find a way to tie your bet into this somehow....

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

    Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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    • #62
      Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?


      Four of the nation's top men's college basketball players were named as finalists for the Naismith Trophy presented by Cingular Wireless, the Atlanta Tipoff Club announced today. Utah's Andrew Bogut, Wake Forest's Chris Paul, Duke's J.J. Redick and Kansas's Wayne Simien have been selected to the final ballot. The Naismith Trophy is the most prestigious national award presented annually to the men's and women's players of the year.


      • #63
        Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

        Adding fuel to the fire

        Originally posted by ESPN.COM

        Sophomore big man led Utah to Sweet 16

        Associated Press

        SALT LAKE CITY -- Andrew Bogut couldn't pass up the opportunity to be the top pick in the NBA draft.

        The Utah center announced Monday that he would forgo his final two years of eligibility to enter the draft, confirming what his coach, teammates and Utes fans have known was coming.

        "I have no regrets and full-speed ahead," the 7-footer from Australia said at a news conference Monday.

        Bogut, the leading vote-getter on the AP All-America team, averaged 20.4 points and 12.2 rebounds while leading the Utes to a 29-6 season, which ended with a loss to Kentucky in the regional semifinals of the NCAA Tournament.

        "I feel the time is right to move on to the next level of basketball," Bogut said.

        Bogut has hired agent David Bauman of SFX Basketball, making him ineligible to play again in college. Bogut plans to stick around Salt Lake City for a few weeks, then head to Washington, D.C., to begin preparing for pre-draft workouts.

        Bogut's parents, Anne and Michael Bogut, sat in the front row for their son's news conference. Michael Bogut ran an auto shop when Andrew was growing up and the younger Bogut remembered some lean times for the family. As a top NBA pick, Bogut's family should be comfortable for a long time.

        Bogut considered leaving after last season, when he was the Mountain West Conference freshman of the year, but a visit to Australia from new Utah coach Ray Giacoletti convinced Bogut to put off the NBA at least another year.

        Bogut is expected to be -- at the very least -- a lottery pick and possibly the first player chosen overall. He led Utah in scoring and rebounding and is an exceptional ball handler and passer for a big man.

        "There hasn't been one day when he hasn't been our hardest worker," Giacoletti said. "It's all been about the team and that's very rare this day."

        Bogut is the second Utah sports star to choose an early departure this year. Quarterback Alex Smith, a Heisman trophy finalist last season, announced in January he would skip his senior season for the NFL. Smith is also projected to go early and it's possible the No. 1 pick in both drafts could be Utes.

        Bogut recorded double-doubles in all but nine games this season and finished with at least 10 points and 10 rebounds 40 times in his Utah career. And at just 20 years old, NBA scouts -- fixtures at Utah games this season -- are convinced he can only get better.

        Bogut was a starter on Australia's Olympic team last summer and averaged 14.8 points and 8.8 rebounds.

        Bogut knew before the season started that leaving would be a possibility, but it wasn't until midway through it that he was leaning toward the draft. And he didn't want to talk about it until the Utes' run in the NCAA Tournament was over.

        "I didn't want to do anything to take the limelight away from the team. It's just not fair," Bogut said.

        Former Utah coach Rick Majerus, who resigned midway through last season because of health concerns, pulled off one of his best recruiting achievements when he got Bogut to sign with Utah. Bogut was scheduled to join the Utes midway through the 2002-03 season, but had trouble getting cleared by the NCAA.

        Bogut could have gone pro right away in Europe or signed with another school because his commitment to Utah expired during the delay, but kept his word and arrived in Salt Lake City in 2003.

        Without Bogut, it will be difficult for the Utes to top this season, but Giacoletti said he wasn't even going to try to talk him in to coming back again if leaving for the draft was best for Bogut and his family.

        "We had a special year. This is not a sad day," Giacoletti said. "This should be a happy day, a joyous day. Andrew has done everything he can do at the college level."

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        • #64
          Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

          Australian Olympian Andrew Bogut was named The Associated Press US college basketball player of the year. The award caps a superb second and final season with the University of Utah college with Bogut last week announcing he will go into the NBA Draft this year. Bogut led the College league with 26 double-doubles in 35 games this season. He was second in rebounding at 12.2 per game, and fourth in field goal percentage at 62 per cent. He averaged 20.4 points per game (15th in the US) and 2.3 assists while playing 35 minutes. He was the leading vote-getter on the AP's All-America first team.

          The Utes finished with a record of 29-6, won the Mountain West Conference regular season title, and advanced to the third round of the US college championship before losing to Kentucky. "He is one of the special, special people I have ever met," first-year Utah coach Ray Giacoletti said. Bogut announced this week that he would forego his final two seasons at Utah and apply for the NBA draft. He's expected to be one of the top picks in June, and he knows the work has just begun. "I have to get ready, get stronger for the physical play that I'll see there," Bogut said. "I don't have any plan, like being an all-star in three years or anything like that. I know I want to get better and I'll show people how hungry I am for that."

          The 20-year-old Bogut averaged 14.8 points and 8.8 rebounds last summer in Athens for the Australian Olympic team. Just four years earlier he was cut from his state team in Victoria. "He got really angry when he was cut," his father, Michael Bogut, said. "He said, 'Dad, this is the last time I'm last. Whatever it takes." Bogut received 31 votes for player of the year from AP's 72-member national media panel. Bogut is the first player from Utah to win the award. -


          • #65
            Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?


            Bogut wins Wooden Award
            From correspondents in Los Angeles
            April 10, 2005

            UNIVERSITY of Utah centre Andrew Bogut has become the first non-American to be named the 2005 winner of the John R. Wooden Award overnight.

            The award was presented to the 2.13m tall Australian at the 29th Annual Wooden Award Ceremony in Los Angeles.

            The Wooden Award is given to the most outstanding collegiate basketball player in the United States.

            In addition to on-court performance, voters are supposed to base their selections on each candidate's character and academic performance, essential components of an outstanding player in the eyes of John Wooden, the legendary hoops coach at UCLA and the Award's namesake.

            Bogut, a junior who announced his intention to enter the NBA Draft a few weeks ago, led the Mountain West Conference in points (20.4) and rebounds (12.2) while guiding Utah to the Sweet 16.

            Bogut, a starter for Australia's 2004 Olympic team, earlier took home the Naismith Trophy, which also honours the nation's best player.

            The other finalists were centres Sean May of North Carolina and Wayne Simien of Kansas and guards Dee Brown of Illinois and J.J. Redick of Duke.

            May scored 26 points in the title game of the NCAA Tournament to lead the Tar Heels to a 75-70 victory over Illinois.

            Previous winners include Larry Bird (1979), Michael Jordan (1984), Tim Duncan (1997), and last year's recipient, Jameer Nelson (2004).

            LSU's Seimone Augustus was this year's Wooden Award winner for the women. Augustus, a junior guard, led the Tigers to a second consecutive Final Four appearance, where they lost to Baylor in the semi-finals.

            Augustus averaged 20.1 points and 4.5 rebounds to lead LSU to a 33-3 season. She was also the conference player of the year and the Naismith Trophy winner.
            that calls for some more


            • #66
              Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

              Originally posted by Kstat
              All true, but if he goes top-3, ill eat my shoe.
              as was recently mentioned....its gonna be a tough couple weeks for kstat with regard to wardrobe.....

              1st hes about to lose the world championship belt....

              then hes gonna have to eat his shoe....

              guess leather and kstat just dont mix....


              • #67
                Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

                Originally posted by foretaz
                as was recently mentioned....its gonna be a tough couple weeks for kstat with regard to wardrobe.....

                1st hes about to lose the world championship belt....

                then hes gonna have to eat his shoe....

                guess leather and kstat just dont mix....



                • #68
                  Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

                  Originally posted by btowncolt
                  I have a few pictures proving otherwise...
                  You *******. Have some respect for my right to privacy.

                  It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

                    I'll stand by my offer to broadcast the "eating of the shoe" live over the net, all we need is a webcam locally
                    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!


                    • #70
                      Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

                      Originally posted by Kstat
                      All true, but if he goes top-3, ill eat my shoe.
                      First you lose your belts, now you lose your shoe. Poor Kstat :P


                      • #71
                        Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

                        Originally posted by able
                        I'll stand by my offer to broadcast the "eating of the shoe" live over the net, all we need is a webcam locally
                        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!


                        • #72
                          Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?

                          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                          If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!


                          • #73
                            Re: Andrew Bogut next #1 draft pick?