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2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

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  • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

    Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
    If Vonleh stays another year though, he good get a Blake Griffin climb to number 1 in 2015. He needs strength in the post and he can't screen or seal that well.
    People act like there isn't player development in the NBA. Every player has some flaws and arent ready to be great from day one, he should go top 10 in the draft. Plus there is very little chance he goes #1 next year I like Okafor and Turner more. I think Okafor and him have similar games though.


    Doing 3hrs of individual work with NBA coaches every day will improve your skills just as much as staying in college(if not more so). If he is mentally ready he should come out.

    EDIT: Honestly if I was Vonleh I would want to get out of IU, they aren't using him very well IMO. He doesn't get the ball in places he should IMO, and a lot of that comes down to Crean's offense. (not much reason to seal when the coaches wants to dribble drive all day, and not get the ball in the post. He isnt really being ask to seal. I guarantee you if he was in the Pacers offense his sealing and post play with look a lot better.)
    Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-28-2014, 05:27 PM.

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      I have been waiting for LSU vs UK. Should be a great battle of good front courts.

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        Dakich is killing the Harrison's and for good reason. They are in full whine mode tonight. I can't stand their energy and lack of enthusiasm add in the complaining it is just hard to watch them play.



        I really love all 3 of LSU bigs they are one of the most talented front courts in the nation.

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        • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

          Wiggins has really learned to compete he has played so hard tonight.

          Chris Walker at FLA has been cleared to play be waiting for that all season. Kind of hard to fit him in mid conference season, but im sure Billy will make it work.


          I am leaning toward Wiggins being the #1 on my board, he impacts the game in so many way elite elite defender and an elite rebounder. Still a lot of ball left to be played but he is very impactful.

          Embid just got a offensive rebound being held and exploded for a dunk what a quick leap.


          also notice Ryan Carr is at the game dude has the life being a scouting director.


          J. Riddell ‏@Joshua_Riddell 3m
          Andrew Wiggins is going to become Exhibit A as to why you should wait to evaluate freshmen for at least 15 games

          I have been saying this all season it was just lol how people try to predict things so early. Let the kids play and then evaluate after we have a reasonable sample size.
          Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-30-2014, 12:00 AM.

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          • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

            It's been said that this upcoming draft is very deep. I think that some of the Players that the Pacers scout and think has the potential to be a very solid NBA Player will fall to the 2nd round and that Bird will trade up to get him.

            I'm calling it now….perhaps due to lack of hope cuz I see the possibility of losing Lance….but I think that Bird and his scouts will find another "diamond in the rough" in this upcoming years draft. It's not uncommon for some Players that are ranked high for some reason to fall to the 2nd round for whatever reasons.

            Well….at least…this is what I am tying to convince myself of.
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              PJ Hairston is making me think what could of been at UNC this year. I have been watching him play in the Dleague. He is the best player in the Dleague right now. I was a big fan of his when he played at UNC good 2 way player.

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                Had class tonight , getting caught up on this Iowa st Okst game wow what a game entering double OT now. This is just fun basketball. Niang fouling out I don't know how Iowa st is staying in this. They have talent all over, but he had been terrific this game. Iowa st is really deep and really unselfish fun to watch.

                Kane vs Smart has been so fun to watch. I bet the Pacers end up with someone like Melvin Ejim if we pick late 2nd. Undersized, but productive college player maybe a guy like Talib Zanna slim pickens so late in the draft.

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                  Also so happy LeBryan Nash has morphed into the type of player I wanted him to be. They played through him all OT guy has become a real threat in the post. Glad he went away from thinking and playing like he is a 3.

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                  • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                    Also so happy LeBryan Nash has morphed into the type of player I wanted him to be. They played through him all OT guy has become a real threat in the post. Glad he went away from thinking and playing like he is a 3.
                    For real that's his name.

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                    • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                      Who is this Exum blowhard, and why is he insisting on playing for LA? He can keep his attitude overseas.
                      Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                      • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                        Who is this Exum blowhard, and why is he insisting on playing for LA? He can keep his attitude overseas.
                        He's going the Kobe route?
                        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                        • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                          Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                          Who is this Exum blowhard, and why is he insisting on playing for LA? He can keep his attitude overseas.
                          I really shouldn't even repond to this you have no clue.


                          Exum is the best pg in the draft IMO and possibly has the most potential of any player. Where are you getting he wants to play in LA? He simply stated he wants to talk to Kobe about making the jump from HS to the NBA. His attitude is one of the best parts of his game kid is a really hard worker and really understands the game. He did hire an agent who hides his players and get them drafted to the best fit for their long term success. Being mature enough to ask for advise is a + in my book not making him a "blowhard"

                          He also stated he wants to go somewhere he can start and a team that needs him.

                          ''I want to go to a place that needs me, I don't want to go somewhere like the [LA] Clippers who have Chris Paul and be stuck behind him,'' he said. ''I want to go to a team which is going to want and need me, and hopefully get minutes in my first season.'' Exum

                          I love everything about the kid his jumper has flawless mechanics IMO (He just need more reps)

                          He plays both sides of the ball and really runs his team. He is a good kid who I would strongly consider if I had the #1 pick.
                          Last edited by pacer4ever; 02-05-2014, 05:07 PM.

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                          • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            . . . He plays both sides of the ball and really runs his team. He is a good kid who I would strongly consider if I had the #1 pick.
                            I do have no clue, . But is this guy good enough to pass on both of the Kansas guys? Especially Embiid. Full sized bigs that can play are rare. Is Exum that good?

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                            • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                              Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                              I do have no clue, . But is this guy good enough to pass on both of the Kansas guys? Especially Embiid. Full sized bigs that can play are rare. Is Exum that good?
                              Embid still hasn't proven to me he can play vs legit bigs. Cameron Ridley really limited him last week. Most of his breakout offensive games are vs 6'7ish guys. I am also a bit concerned about his defense. Embid is really all projection right now he isn't as good as these media outlets are proclaiming him to be IMO. Don't get me wrong I project him to be one of the better centers in the league in a few years. He has all teh tools I look for in a big.


                              I still have Wiggins ahead of Embid. Wiggns is already an elite defender, and just like Embid has shown flashes of how he can become a great offensive player.


                              To me it will be about the fit if I am the Bucks and we already have a good rim protector in Sanders do I draft Embid? I think I would lean toward Exum. I do agree that his future as a rim protector is very good and if I was starting a team from scratch I would probably take Embid because he is harder to find. Although I really love Exum his talent is really rare as well. You will soon find out why I love this kids game. He is the complete package IMO and has perinatal all star all over him if he keeps getting better.


                              Right now my big board is

                              Exum/Embid/ Wiggins in a tier


                              then Randle, Aaron Gordon, Smart in the next tier

                              , Parker, Vonleh Gary Harris and a few others after that in that same tier.


                              I am lower on Jabari than most and it is for defense. He can't guard his own and is terrible in help defense.



                              I also like Aaron Gordon a lot for the future. We are not drafting for next year but the next 10. I believe he will be a guy that gets a lot better his raw tools are very very good.



                              This is all subject to change. I am still evaluating a lot of players. But I feel like I have a good understanding of the elite guys. I have watched all of them plenty.

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                              • Re: 2013-2014 NBA Draft Prospects thread

                                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                                I really shouldn't even repond to this you have no clue.


                                Exum is the best pg in the draft IMO and possibly has the most potential of any player. Where are you getting he wants to play in LA? He simply stated he wants to talk to Kobe about making the jump from HS to the NBA. His attitude is one of the best parts of his game kid is a really hard worker and really understands the game. He did hire an agent who hides his players and get them drafted to the best fit for their long term success. Being mature enough to ask for advise is a + in my book not making him a "blowhard"

                                He also stated he wants to go somewhere he can start and a team that needs him.

                                ''I want to go to a place that needs me, I don't want to go somewhere like the [LA] Clippers who have Chris Paul and be stuck behind him,'' he said. ''I want to go to a team which is going to want and need me, and hopefully get minutes in my first season.'' Exum

                                I love everything about the kid his jumper has flawless mechanics IMO (He just need more reps)

                                He plays both sides of the ball and really runs his team. He is a good kid who I would strongly consider if I had the #1 pick.
                                This is a very blowhardish thing to say. He thinks he is good enough to contribute right now even though he is only a teenager, and doesn't need time to develop. Not saying that he isn't good enough to contribute as a rookie teenager, but the above comment isn't a humble thing to say
                                Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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