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Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

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  • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    Some (new?) details on Granger's injury. I highlighted the part referring to HIPPA laws because over the years so many times in this forum people have asked why don't the pacers just come out and tell us what the injuries are. Well if you know anything about the HIPPA laws, you know that an employer cannot do that. http://www.ehow.com/facts_4968352_hi...vacy-laws.html. HIPPA laws were passed in 1996
    It's a little late in the game to be hiding behind HIPPA laws. They could've used that excuse on day one so why pull it out now?
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

      Originally posted by Bball View Post
      It's a little late in the game to be hiding behind HIPPA laws. They could've used that excuse on day one so why pull it out now?
      How many actual statements have been made by the Pacers, though? Pretty much everything we've argued about has been people giving opinions about when he'll be back, not about details of the diagnosis and the treatment plan. That's why we've been arguing, because everyone has their own assumption about when each stage of the diagnosis took place, what the treatment plan was, and what the actual medical expectations were for this specific case. Those details - which would have derailed any arguments except perhaps the old one about how much PS&E is lying - are precisely the ones covered by HIPPA.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

        Originally posted by purdue101 View Post
        If you insist

        Vnzla - James Harden will not get traded. Perkins will be the one to go. WRONG
        Vnzla – Nene is worth 18M per year – WRONG
        Vnzla – West used to be a good player/scorer (stated beginning of the year) – WRONG.
        Vnzla – We should tank from a 2 to a 3 seed and give up home court in round 2 to avoid Boston. Claims Lakers did it. WRONG. Lakers tanked one year to avoid Utah BUT they never sacrificed home court to do so (3 to 4 seed or 5 to 6). That’s just ridiculous to even imply sacrificing homecourt.

        It’s disgraceful how often you whiff regarding your NBA insight, but what’s even more disgraceful is how you scramble to deflect those inaccuracies b/c you can’t stand to be wrong. It's an insult to those on this board who try to keep the facts on the straight and narrow. And I hate to rehash this, but you’ve brought this on yourself - YOU LOVED WHAT THE PACERS DID THIS OFFSEASON!!!!! You wanted DJ Augustin for years – you even said so yourself You liked the Mahinmi and Green signings. Now that it hasn’t worked you back track b/c you CAN’T ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG.

        After the acquisitions of Mahinmi, DJ, and Green;

        http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...light=augustin

        “I’m loving our front office, this what a front office is supposed to do.”
        “DJ and Green are doing to bring highlights to the second unit.”
        “I also love that we are getting another young guy, not some over the hill vet, I hope we keep him.”.

        Continue to hate on our bench now, that is fine – I agree with you, they suck right now. It hasn't worked out how many of us hoped. But don’t dare give us your typical “I told you so” b/c you were as high as anyone on those moves when they transpired and like many us, you were wrong. It’s ok – let’s say it together – “I was wrong”
        nice work man. throughly enjoyed reading this post.

        i still believe Granger at even 70% can contribute to this teams 2nd unit in the playoffs. If not i would probably prefer Sam Young over Greene. Young if not mistaken did start for the Griz in the playoffs at one time. i dont like the gerald greene takes shots away from Pulp.

        Greene just doesnt get it offensively. hopefully Granger can heal up quick and give us whatever he has got left.

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        • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

          http://www.indystar.com/article/2013...anger-s-return

          Granger made a brief appearance — five games — before his left knee sent him back to the sideline.

          This time coach Frank Vogel spoke up. He went to swingmen Orlando Johnson, Sam Young and Gerald Green and told them that they “have to step up” because Granger was going to be out awhile.
          Yep they were prepared all right....
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          • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

            I find it very easy to root for Jeff. Seems like a great teammate, and hes always excited to play, cheer, and watch even though he gets limited minutes.

            Definitely hope we can afford to keep him and find some more minutes for him in the future.

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            • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

              Originally posted by Goyle View Post
              http://www.indystar.com/article/2013...reparing-Bulls


              Selfishly, I'd love to have him play in the Clippers game as I have some pretty great seats for that one.
              Same. I've managed to wrangle some tickets in a box suite with a friend (via his connections). If you see a couple idiots wearing George Hill away jerseys sitting in a box at the Clippers game, come over and say hi.

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              • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                West will miss his fifth straight game with a lower back sprain, but both he and Danny Granger, out since March 3 with left knee pain, could be available early on the road trip. Granger will practice Wednesday and if he responds well, Vogel said, he could be come off the bench in Houston.

                Maybe.
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                • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                  I hope he makes a comeback soon.

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                  • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                    Scott Agness ‏@ScottAgness 20m
                    Stephenson and Granger practiced, Hill and West did not. All expected to play sometime on 4-gm trip. West likely held out at least 1 more.
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                    • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                      Scott Agness ‏@ScottAgness 3m
                      Vogel on DG: “Some of the gms are going to be his rehab assignments. It’s not like we can wait & let him have 5-6 practices under his belt"


                      Scott Agness ‏@ScottAgness 2m
                      Vogel said Granger is at a critical time. "If he re-injures it or it flares up really bad again, then you got to look some alternatives."



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                      • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                        Originally posted by Goyle View Post
                        http://www.indystar.com/article/2013...reparing-Bulls
                        Selfishly, I'd love to have him play in the Clippers game as I have some pretty great seats for that one.
                        Must have cost you an arm and a leg to get those seats....or is it just because no one in LaLaLand care about the Pacers?
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                        • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                          http://blogs.pacers.com/2013/03/26/v...t-coast-swing/


                          “We’ll see how it goes,” said Vogel. “If he comes back in the next two weeks and is our best scorer, then yeah, you have to put him back in the starting lineup, probably. Or not. Or you use him as a bench scorer.”

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                          • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                            Originally posted by ThA HoyA View Post
                            http://blogs.pacers.com/2013/03/26/v...t-coast-swing/


                            “We’ll see how it goes,” said Vogel. “If he comes back in the next two weeks and is our best scorer, then yeah, you have to put him back in the starting lineup, probably. Or not. Or you use him as a bench scorer.”
                            This is why bringing him back this late in the game is IMHO more of a distraction and monkey wrench in the gears than actually getting the team hitting on all cylinders and heading into the post season as a smooth running machine.

                            Obviously, it's still possible he can come back and be effective but there's no clearly defined role for him now and precious little time to actually carve one out. And there's already been one aborted comeback attempt that wasn't exactly awe-inspiring in the first place. Instead it showed just how much rust there was and left as many or more question marks than it answered.

                            BTW... Did anyone ever answer my question about current rules on the playoff roster? The last time I knew them you had to declare your playoff roster and live with it throughout the playoffs. So if someone got injured you couldn't dress someone else and replace them on the playoff roster. Not sure that is the case these days though. It would be important to know though considering Granger's potential to aggravate his knee.
                            Last edited by Bball; 03-26-2013, 07:38 PM.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                            • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                              We aren't exactly running like a smooth machine right now.

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                              • Re: Is it time to pull the plug on Granger’s comeback? Conrad Brunner

                                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                                Must have cost you an arm and a leg to get those seats....or is it just because no one in LaLaLand care about the Pacers?
                                I don't think it has anything to do with the Pacers, Clippers games are still relatively cheap outside of the marquee games and that's with a huge price increase. My brother's upper level season tickets more than doubled in price this season.

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