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Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

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  • #46
    Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

    If Indiana beats Miami, everyone will be talking about Indiana. Especially if they beat Boston and Orlando before then. I think that would be 15 out of the last 18 wins.


    • #47
      If we win, Skip Bayless will put the media in their place.

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      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?


      • #48
        Originally posted by billbradley View Post
        If the Heat keep their win streak alive, how does this game not get picked up nationally!? The last loss by the Heat would be to the consensus East road block Pacers. You have great basketball, techs, bad blood and drama.

        I know it's in between the ABC and ESPN games, but you would think they would figure something out.

        Ha, I wish NBC picked it up somehow.
        I hope that it does get picked up nationally. Although I have League Pass, I can't watch any NBATV games. I'm going to send an email to the league.

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        • #49
          Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

          We will end the streak
          Smothered Chicken!


          • #50
            Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

            It's on NBATV


            • #51
              Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

              Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
              If we win, Skip Bayless will put the media in their place.
              If we win First Take will give Pacers brief praise, but moreso they will talk about why Miami lost, not why the Pacers won. That's what they do.

              That show has too many Who's-To-Blame-For-This-Loss topics. And it usually is asked about sexy teams like the Heat, Lakers, Cowboys, Yankees, etc.


              • #52
                Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                The #1 topic on Miami sports radio stations this morning was not the win over Minnesota, or 15 games, or their next game (Orlando), or the game after that (Philly).

                It was about Sunday, March 10, 6PM.

                FWIW, most fan callers don't worry at all about the Pacers, but every basketball analyst or person regularly covering the NBA were saying it really should be something to watch since the Pacer seem to have the style to give the Heat the most trouble.

                We have their attention.
                The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).


                • #53
                  Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                  Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                  You are a debbie-downer, this is a team that played like crap against the Clippers last week and still was with in 4 pts of a victory in the final minute. Pacers have alot of fight, and their defense can lock down any opponent. We turned the ball over a ton in that game and the Clippers just like the Heat thrive on turnovers. We will be fine, just need to dictate the pace of the pace of the pace of the game.
                  That's the key and my main point. The Pacers have to be hitting on all cylinders in order for them to beat the Heat ON THE ROAD ( no less ). If we play like we played on Sunday...heck, even the last few games ( yes, wins...but at times....sloppy wins )....we won't win IMHO.
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


                  • #54
                    Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                    Originally posted by Foul on Smits View Post
                    It's on NBATV
                    SERIOUSLY??? WTF is the point of NBATv?? I pay a bizzillion $$ for league pass(that works about 75% of the time) and still miss one of the big games of the year because it is on NBATV. That is stupid. We better win. I don't want to compound my night of having to go to a bar to be surrounded by HEAT fans with a Loss and a large bar tab.


                    • #55
                      Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                      Originally posted by aiq24 View Post
                      SERIOUSLY??? WTF is the point of NBATv?? I pay a bizzillion $$ for league pass(that works about 75% of the time) and still miss one of the big games of the year because it is on NBATV. That is stupid. We better win. I don't want to compound my night of having to go to a bar to be surrounded by HEAT fans with a Loss and a large bar tab.
                      Live games on NBA TV are the worst.


                      • #56
                        Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                        Just a little something to whet your appetite...

                        Miami Heat believe Indiana Pacers still must earn rival status

                        By Ethan J. Skolnick
                        Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
                        MIAMI —

                        Earned not given.

                        That was the slogan that LeBron James adopted — and endorsement company Nike co-opted — following the Heat’s 2012 championship. For someone of whom so much was expected, and who has embraced those expectations with proclamations, it was a reminder that it can be, and should be, an arduous slog toward the spoils.

                        Now that James is a defending champion, as well as the runaway leader for a repeat NBA MVP award, that slogan seems to apply to the respect level accorded his opponents. That was evident again in his reply, after Miami’s 17th straight win Friday night, to a question about whether he deems the Indiana Pacers to be the Heat’s primary rival in the East.

                        “Against Boston, Chicago more than Indiana,” James said. “We’ve only had one series with those guys. So I would say it’s Boston. In our first year, we played those guys in the second round, and then last year we played in the Eastern Conference finals. And I have a lot of history with them before I got here, as well as the guys who have come here before. Indiana’s not a rival at this point.”

                        Maybe Indiana’s not a rival, but the Pacers still represent an extraordinary nuisance, whether in pushing the Heat to six games in the second round last year, pushing them around Jan. 8 and Feb. 1 in Bankers Life Fieldhouse, or pushing their buttons with assorted antagonistic quotes and actions — from coach Frank Vogel characterizing Heat players as floppers to the now-injured Danny Granger’s frisky play against James to Lance Stephenson giving James the choke sign to Roy Hibbert’s odd “little man” complex, in which the 7-foot-2 center keeps saying things like this to the Indianapolis Star:

                        “We play with a little bit of a chip on our shoulder, and a little bit of swag. I mean, they get a lot of the calls. They’re the superstar team. We just take it personal and try to go at them.”

                        Maybe Indiana’s not a rival, but Sunday evening’s game still represents the last truly interesting matchup on the Heat’s regular-season calendar, not so much for the standings (Miami is a cinch to win the East), the streak (players aren’t emphasizing that as much as the media) or for making a statement, with James saying that “we know where we stand when it counts.”

                        “We just played with such a low motor against them, both times, on offense,” Heat forward Shane Battier said of the two losses this season to the Pacers. “And we became stagnant, and our shots were poor. During the last five weeks, our offense has been pretty good.”

                        This game is interesting largely because many members of the Heat find the Pacers — and any insinuation that Indiana belongs in their elevated airspace — irritating, and the Heat tend to be electric and unstoppable when irritated, so long as they also pinch in a healthy dose of poise.

                        Simply, the Pacers still have much to prove to James and his teammates, before they will be accorded accolades without caveats.

                        That six-game series? Well, Heat players privately insist that it might have been so close had Chris Bosh not missed the final five contests with a strained abdominal. The two losses this season? Well, sure, Heat players have acknowledged that the Pacers did a good job of grinding them to a slower pace in their place in January and February, but also remind everyone that it wasn’t the case in the final three games in May, when James and Dwyane Wade absolutely decimated them, combining for 199 points.

                        Sometimes, they even believe a public reminder is required.

                        James views himself as an ambassador of the sport, so he tends to be quite charitable with praise, patiently and somewhat comically indulging — to a point — reporters from low-profile NBA cities when they ask for scouting reports of the obscure players they cover. He appears to have less patience when it comes to the Pacers, even if he does call them “a very good team” that will “provide a good test.” One example: After the shootaround in advance of the teams’ last meeting on Feb. 1, James didn’t settle for reciting the rote platitudes.

                        He had something to say, even if softly.

                        “Chris got hurt, they took a 2-1 lead and (were) really excited about what was going on and were talking a lot,” James said. “They felt they were the better team, and we took control of the series. … But they’ve been talking a lot. I read a lot of clips that they’ve had before the season that said they were better than us, and they should have beat us, so we’ll be ready.”

                        Turned out they weren’t ready enough. The 102-89 defeat at Indiana on Feb. 1 marks the last time Miami lost.
                        What’s changed over the past 17 games?

                        “Offensively, we’re moving the ball, we’re sharing the ball,” James said. “And I think, defensively, more than anything, we’re communicating, we’re helping one another.”

                        Improvement that, as with everything else around these parts, was earned, not given.
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                        • #57
                          Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                          George and Stephenson at the wings is a whole 'nother beast compared to Granger and George at the wings defensively.... What Lance lacks in experience he makes up much with his quickness. And Lance's explosiveness adds another dimension for Miami to account for when they are on defense. So I'm not sure how Miami should be looking at last year's playoffs more than this year's games per se'.
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden


                          • #58
                            Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                            Didn't realize we only played them 3 times. Oh man, a series sweep would be so awesome.


                            • #59
                              Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                              Interesting change in the way the Heat are discussing us. They went from "we really want to beat them, they talk too much." (clearly in their heads) to "nah..they haven't earned the title of our's just another game."

                              Probably an attempt to get us out of their heads.


                              • #60
                                Re: Looking ahead to the Miami Game: Imagine the Mood Swing

                                Without even going through the thread yet, just my gut feelings on the matter, EXPECT THE LOSS.

                                Miami is a very good team, very hot the last 3 weeks, has the MVP playing at MVP level, and has already lost to Indy twice on the road. I realize the margin of victories for the Pacers and lord knows I love our BnG boys, but the reality of oddsmaking is that the Pacers don't win this game. It will be a fairly big upset if they do.

                                So as with all underdogs you can't take a loss, or even a drubbing, too hard. It means nothing even if they win, they aren't going to catch them for the #1 seed, and they still need to win 2 rounds of playoffs to even see Miami any more this season.

                                It will FEEL bad, but it will have almost no value. Will you be willing to write off Miami's season if they lose? Of course not. People, even Pacers fans, will say "its only the regular season, the playoffs are different". Fans will talk about the Pacers offense facing playoff defenses or how Miami will get all the calls in Miami during the playoffs. And that's if Indy WINS THE GAME. Even then it will be marked by tons of asterisks dismissing the value of it.

                                So as much as I want to ride the game like a major deal, like the biggest Pacers game of the year (and lord knows I will), there will still be the rational part of me curbing my disappointment in a loss and my excitement in a win. I already know the Pacers CAN BEAT THE HEAT. I don't need this game to validate that theory, and the outcome will not prove or disprove it in the least. If anything a Pacers loss might get Miami feeling too comfortable while pushing the Pacers to dig deeper for the next 35-40 games.