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Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

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  • Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

    Simple question. Do you like Granger, or do you not like Granger? I appreciate that there is nuance to answering a question like this but ultimately I think it's unlikely that anyone is truly absolutely neutral on this, so pick one.
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    Sure I do
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    I don't particularly like Danny Granger
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    Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

    All hail Danny
    "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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      Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

      Danny was our best player during some really rough years and is still an integral part of our core.

      I think Pacer fans owe Danny a lot. He played for years for a small-market team with questionable coaching that was trying to rebuild without sucking, so it wasn't even like we had the chance of bringing in someone hyped like Kyrie Irving or John Wall during the lean years. A lot of players would have been a pain in the *** or given up, but Danny played through it and was affable along the way. Good guy and will always be one of my favorite Pacers. I would say right now in terms of memory of Pacer fans, he will end up being remembered not as one of the absolute best, but in that second tier of really talented Pacers. He will be a more popular player in Pacers lore than JO when it is said and done. May be a top ten NBA-era Pacer in terms of talent, would have to think about it but my inclination is he is.
      Last edited by idioteque; 03-02-2013, 11:29 AM.

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        Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

        My fav Pacer. His popularity went down among our fans because he didn't turn into the franchise player people hoped he would be, because George is playing on his spot and starting to emerge and because we're pretty much a good team this season even without him.

        I remember how in his MIP year people treated him like George is treated right now. I guess people got short memory.
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          Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

          Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
          Simple question. Do you like Granger, or do you not like Granger? I appreciate that there is nuance to answering a question like this but ultimately I think it's unlikely that anyone is truly absolutely neutral on this, so pick one.
          It is not as simple as that but since you made it that way, I voted that I liked him. That does not mean that I don't see his limitations and short comings. I also think that he has already been replaced and some people just aren't willing to accept that. ...

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          • #6
            Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

            I always get irritated when people are angry that Danny isn't a superstar, there are 5-10 superstars in the entire league at any time, they're pretty rare folks.

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            • #7
              Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

              I love Danny. He's been completely loyal through the good and the bad. I hope he stays in Indy his whole career.
              follow me @TruenoPanda - lets talk Pacers!

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                Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

                Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                I always get irritated when people are angry that Danny isn't a superstar, there are 5-10 superstars in the entire league at any time, they're pretty rare folks.
                Who knew that 18-20 PPG was a disappointment. Outside of the superstars, only about 10 players can do that annually.

                Even PG who some think is a superstar, has yet to do that. Which isn't a knock on PG and his great all around game, but it shows that it's not simple to put up those types of scoring numbers consistently.

                Even with his shot being off this far, and the fact that he's getting into shape, DG is already one of our better scorers and may already be the best at drawing fouls. He's for sure under appreciated for what he is simply bc he's not a superstar
                Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 03-02-2013, 11:57 AM.

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                  Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

                  I love Danny Granger. He's probably my 2nd favorite (1st will always be Reggie). A true professional in a league plagued by unprofessional players (ex. D. Howard). A player who stuck with the Pacers through thick and thin, and never wavered after floods of trade rumors every single year. A tough guy that comes back strong after injuries and never quits. A guy that follows the coach whether he's a good one or a bad one. An unselfish guy who never minds sharing the spotlight, or give them totally to his teammates. Has always been the supportive player and a player that just wants to win regardless of who's the hero. A true leader in a sense of being the big brother to the young guys. And a high character guy on and off the court, has never been a shame to the franchise, and have been there for the fans, Pacers employees, and to the Indiana community.

                  Out of the 2005 draft pick he's easily one of the best 5 players right now. And right now he's probably the 3rd best player on that draft, with CP3 and DWill as your top 2. Bogut is too unhealthy to even do something in the Bucks and right in the Warriors, and as for Bynum, there's flashes of a great center there. But most of his years weren't as good as Danny's numbers, his 2 finals appearances he wasn't a big factor, and his only remarkable season was last year because that's the only year he's healthy, where he's basically looking to oust Dwight as the best center in the league.
                  Last edited by 15th parallel; 03-02-2013, 12:20 PM.

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                    Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

                    Well this is a resounding yes, until the two (we all know who I'm talking about) users see the poll.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

                      Of course I like Danny Granger. He has always represented our franchise with complete class, and by all accounts is an excellent teammate. I certainly feel bad for him in that his physical prime coincided with the years that our rosters were complete garbage.

                      That being said, I'm well aware of the harsh realities of the NBA. We've already invested quite a bit of money into Roy Hibbert and George Hill. Roy Hibbert is the anchor of our defense, and George Hill is a clutch young point guard who happens to be the best Pacer at the position since Mark Jackson. Both are young and aren't going anywhere. Virtually everyone agrees that we have to keep David West if we want to remain being one of the best teams in the NBA. We're obviously going to have to give Paul George a big payday down the line. Roy, West, George Hill, and PG all bring something unique to the table, but Danny was essentially replaced by PG this year. The simple fact is that we likely aren't going to have enough money for Granger if he is commanding a big payday. If Danny goes out and plays really well next year and stays healthy, then it's almost guaranteed that another team will dangle some money in front of him.

                      Some here might think that Danny will give the Pacers a big financial break out of "loyalty", but I don't believe that for a second. I remember last year when people were saying that Roy would give the Pacers a hometown discount because Roy was such a great guy and was so grateful for the Pacers. We all saw how that worked out. He would have been perfectly content in Portland if the Pacers didn't match. With Granger, this will likely be the last big payday of his career. An athlete can be happy anywhere with the money they make. If Danny is like any other athlete, then he'll go where the most money is, as he should. As history has shown, athletes always chase money, yet fans still always hold out hope that their guy is special and will give their team a discount out of the goodness of their heart. Albert Puljos won two championships with the Cardinals and could have gone down as the greatest Cardinal of all time, yet bolted in a heartbeat because there was more money somewhere else. The bottom line is that I think the only way Granger is here beyond 2014 is if he doesn't play well enough next year to command big money from someone else.

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                        Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

                        Danny's cool. Don't like the way he plays the game tho. Not like he can help it or anything

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                          Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

                          Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                          Danny's cool. Don't like the way he plays the game tho. Not like he can help it or anything
                          I think his play adjust to the coach and to his teammates. He was looking like a defensive stud under Rick. He became a 3pt specialist (and practically played perimeter offense) under JOB. Then with Vogel he was practically an all-arounder on both ends of the court.

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                            Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

                            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                            Of course I like Danny Granger. He has always represented our franchise with complete class, and by all accounts is an excellent teammate. I certainly feel bad for him in that his physical prime coincided with the years that our rosters were complete garbage.

                            That being said, I'm well aware of the harsh realities of the NBA. We've already invested quite a bit of money into Roy Hibbert and George Hill. Roy Hibbert is the anchor of our defense, and George Hill is a clutch young point guard who happens to be the best Pacer at the position since Mark Jackson. Both are young and aren't going anywhere. Virtually everyone agrees that we have to keep David West if we want to remain being one of the best teams in the NBA. We're obviously going to have to give Paul George a big payday down the line. Roy, West, George Hill, and PG all bring something unique to the table, but Danny was essentially replaced by PG this year. The simple fact is that we likely aren't going to have enough money for Granger if he is commanding a big payday. If Danny goes out and plays really well next year and stays healthy, then it's almost guaranteed that another team will dangle some money in front of him.

                            Some here might think that Danny will give the Pacers a big financial break out of "loyalty", but I don't believe that for a second. I remember last year when people were saying that Roy would give the Pacers a hometown discount because Roy was such a great guy and was so grateful for the Pacers. We all saw how that worked out. He would have been perfectly content in Portland if the Pacers didn't match. With Granger, this will likely be the last big payday of his career. An athlete can be happy anywhere with the money they make. If Danny is like any other athlete, then he'll go where the most money is, as he should. As history has shown, athletes always chase money, yet fans still always hold out hope that their guy is special and will give their team a discount out of the goodness of their heart. Albert Puljos won two championships with the Cardinals and could have gone down as the greatest Cardinal of all time, yet bolted in a heartbeat because there was more money somewhere else. The bottom line is that I think the only way Granger is here beyond 2014 is if he doesn't play well enough next year to command big money from someone else.
                            Yeah, and we have to remember the implications of Danny's next deal from his own perspective: it will in all likelihood be the last multi-year, big dollar contract he gets in the NBA. In other words, the next 4-5 years will be the most important in Danny's life financially. He is going to want the most money he can get and I don't blame him. Say Danny has a good year next year and gets 4/40 or something like that. He'll be 34 and declining with a lot of miles on those knees when the contract is up and he'll probably play out the rest of his NBA years on contracts like Dunleavy has now.

                            If/when Danny leaves, I hope Pacers fans understand his situation. Yes we are talking about millions of dollars here, but these guys pay a boatload of money in taxes and agent fees. Danny will retire rich but not wealthy.
                            Last edited by idioteque; 03-02-2013, 12:37 PM.

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                              Re: Pulse of the fan base 3/2/13: Do you like Danny Granger?

                              He's great. I like him a lot more now that he's shown a willingness to hand over the baton. I do consider Granger a very good NBA player and I'm glad he's a Pacer.

                              I thought for some time we should trade him when his value was high. Now that his knee is questionable, his value is much lower. Yet keeping him may have been the right decision. I did not think this team would be this capable this early of competing for a title.

                              In any event, Danny is a good egg. He's a great team mate.
                              Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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