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Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

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  • #61
    Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Donnie Walsh hasn't done much of anything to put this team together so who is being ignorant now.

    Larry isn't around anymore. If anyone is thinking he is then they are the ones reading between the lines. Not me. Last we heard anything about Larry other than occasional phone calls with Lance is that he is in Florida from that Jordan article referencing Buckner's comment on Bird.

    Maybe Bird comes back, maybe he doesn't.

    If you don't think Danny is being reflective in his comments, then I would just say your ability to read people's emotions needs some work. He is definitely being reflective.

    It's just a harsh reality of the NBA that it will be hard to retain everyone. If that's "pessimistic" to you, fine I guess. I am not going to waste my time worrying about it and instead will enjoy what we have now.
    Its not about whether he is being reflective or not...its that you think that by him being reflective hes doing so because hes playing his last games as a Pacer. Its not the first time youve alluded to such on this board. And like i said...if you get that from this article then your just plain pessimistic and silly and its not me that needs a lesson on life and comprehension of ones comments.

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    • #62
      Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

      Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
      I'm going to basically defer to the guys who know a lot more about the cap than I do, but the way I see it, we basically already have $32.5 million committed for the 2014-2015 season. Add another $14 million to that for Paul George, and you're at $46.5 million. I'm guessing you can count on at least $12 million for David West, but in all likelihood it will be more than that, but we'll use that number. That puts us at $58.5 million. Even if Granger can be signed for $8 million, that puts us right on the tax line.

      Unless you think that they will be willing to go into the luxury tax, which I don't, it just won't work out. Maybe a championship this season makes that more feasible.
      I went thru all these numbers in the Hibbert thread...do I think they will go into the tax? not likely, but who knows. And I said it would very well cost more than 12 to keep David as well. But again who knows. Ill say it again. We agree on a couple of things here. You must do all you can to keep George. And he almost certainly will sign an extension before ever reaching FA. They will re-sign David because they have to. Only way they dont is if he doesnt want to come back, which is always a possibility but would seem unlikely at this point. In the pecking order, Danny is next. Thats where I think many of you are waaaaayyyyyyy off base. Its not George Hill or Roy Hibbert. And this article shouldve only made it that much more clear. Yet some here take it as even more reason to think Danny will be gone. Ridiculous I say. Just plain ridiculous. Whatever David signs for will likely be a bargain. George will get the max barring some major catastrophe, which would make this conversation meaningless then. Danny is already at a bargain contract and likely will be re-signed to somewhat of a bargain contract when the time comes. The contract that is not a bargain sticks out like a sore thumb. If they have money issues- which will be likely-you typically look at your bad contracts first and see if something can be done with them. And I think this situation will be no different and thats exactly what they will do.

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      • #63
        Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

        That tax line is now $66.5m?

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        • #64
          Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

          Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
          That tax line is now $66.5m?
          It is $70.3 million. There is no way to pay 5 guys $66.5 million, and fill out a roster with minimum contracts, and stay below the line.

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          • #65
            Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

            How about we wait until we see what he is capable of on the court before we anoint him as much of a no-brainer as George or West, because based off what we've actually seen, that definitely isn't the case.

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            • #66
              Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

              Yes, I am being pessimistic about Danny Granger when I use words to describe him such as mana from heaven for a franchise lost in the desert. (Now if we were lost in the dessert....)


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              • #67
                Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                It is $70.3 million. There is no way to pay 5 guys $66.5 million, and fill out a roster with minimum contracts and stay below the line.
                Hence why you see all the hub bub about where are the fans. And why that talk about whats 6 or 7 million is so ignorant. 6 or 7 million fills out rosters. 6 or 7 million helps offset the lack of a LT rebate. If the fans dont start supporting the team in a big way-by filling up the arena regularly-then the team will have to make decisions based on the likelihood of not having that 6 or 7 million. And im sure the team was put together knowing D-day is coming with the idea if they put this type of team together then the fans will fill up the arena. The team did their part and if the fans do their part then the likelihood of the team remaining relatively intact are much much greater than if the support never comes.

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                • #68
                  Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  Yes, I am being pessimistic about Danny Granger when I use words to describe him such as mana from heaven for a franchise lost in the desert. (Now if we were lost in the dessert....)
                  Nice try. You obviously think highly of him. You obviously also think hes going to be traded this offseason. Youve said it multiple times. Yes, thats incredibly pessimistic at best and just plain irrational at worst. And to use this article as somehow more support for such a stance is just...well....pessimistic at best and irrational at worst.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                    Actually, the less he performs on the court the better it is for us, believe it or not. His value now is even more about non-court related performance. If his knee prevents him from being a starter or playing big minutes, then theres less of an issue in keeping him as his dollar value to the rest of the league would not be nearly as high. Again, read that article. Really read it. Hes your captain. What has the team done without him this year? Without him on the court that is. Heart and soul. Mentor. Great friend. None of that has to do with on-court performance because he hasnt been on the court. We are almost better off in some ways-specifically from a financial standpoint- if he doesnt return to 15-18 points per game type form. If his production drops off to 6th man type production you think from a financial standpoint that would be bad? And isnt that what all the drama surrounding his return was really all about anyway? How he and George could co-exist since many feel they play the same position?

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                    • #70
                      Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                      Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                      Nice try. You obviously think highly of him. You obviously also think hes going to be traded this offseason. Youve said it multiple times. Yes, thats incredibly pessimistic at best and just plain irrational at worst. And to use this article as somehow more support for such a stance is just...well....pessimistic at best and irrational at worst.
                      Pessimistic and irrational to think that Granger could be traded this offeason or perhaps not be re-signed next season. Yep that is exactly how I would describe it.


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                      • #71
                        Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                        Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                        Nice try. You obviously think highly of him. You obviously also think hes going to be traded this offseason. Youve said it multiple times. Yes, thats incredibly pessimistic at best and just plain irrational at worst. And to use this article as somehow more support for such a stance is just...well....pessimistic at best and irrational at worst.
                        Give it up. If anything, he's being "incredibly" logical. Of course he can't see into the future and because of that, he's not claiming anything as 100% fact.

                        And irrational? Are you sure you want to use that word? Because even if he is pessimistic and it turns out he's wrong, he's absolutely being rational about Danny's future with the team.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          Pessimistic and irrational to think that Granger could be traded this offeason or perhaps not be re-signed next season. Yep that is exactly how I would describe it.
                          Irrational is thinking that either of those scenarios are an impossibility.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                            Great article.
                            It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                              Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                              Irrational is thinking that either of those scenarios are an impossibility.
                              Who said impossibility? Point is simple. Very, very simple. Give one fact. ONE!!!! That says Danny being traded is even remotely likely. JUST ONE. Irrational is in spite of there being many many facts that say he will not likely be traded and absolutely none that he will be, still thinking he will be traded. Clearly irrational. Do you feel Paul George will be traded? Why not? Do you think David West will not be re-signed? Why not? Its far far more likely David West will not be back versus Danny Granger. And that is a longshot at this point... So in spite of all the facts leading one to believe Danny will not be traded and indeed will be re-signed when the time comes, and in spite of there not being one solitary fact that would lead one to believe Danny will be traded, he still thinks Danny will be traded. And he thinks he will be traded this offseason. The Pacers wouldnt even wait til his contract runs out. They will just get rid of him this offseason. Not only is that irrational...its plain silly.
                              Last edited by cinotimz; 02-28-2013, 01:41 PM.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Danny Granger and Paul George have unique bond that makes Pacers real threat in East (Article about Granger/George)

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                Thanks god he was not working out with Gordon Hayward or Cole Aldrich.
                                I would like to clarify this comments because it looks like some people took it as a negative comment(somebody told me), my point is that by reading the article I believe that Paul George working out with Danny was a huge reason of why we got PG, had Danny been working out with somebody else(Hayward, Aldridge,Bledsoe or whoever) I don't think the Pacers draft him.

                                So yeah thanks Danny for the referral, thanks Larry for listening to the referral and for doing a good job in drafting Paul George.
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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