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Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

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  • #16
    Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

    Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
    I guess I was worried more about the franchise revisiting the court of public opinion with the local media presenting the "facts". However, the local media outlets and especially the one that I work for has decided to treat this "scrum" like the fart in the wind that it is. It'll suck probably losing one maybe two of our guys for Thursday, but I'll take that knowing my man's balls finally dropped for all of us to see!

    Great win!
    My thoughts exactly. I tweeted that I didn't care about any pending suspensions to Roy, but I was more worried about the news overblowing the scene.

    Of course when I got home from the game the sports part of the news was starting and they blew it off.

    Deadspin and ESPN had their day with it, though. "Brawl"

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    • #17
      Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      As much as I don't want to talk about it, I need to say one thing. I think the notion that the city did npot turn on the team because of the brawl is simply wrong. I too was at the next game after the brawl and I remember the atmosphere and I remember how Pacers fans stayed behind the team during the aftermath. And I remember when it became a us vs them mentally for most pacers fans - us against the NBA.

      But Peck, where you are wrong was the long term impact of the brawl and the extremely negative impact the brawl had on causal Pacers fans. I do not think you can under estimate how damaging the brawl was. I mean it is still damaging to this day. Sure the subsequent off the court activities and trade demands and losing really hurt the franchise, but the brawl was always a huge negative factor as well. Sort of like a silent killer. Virus that gets into the air that cannot ever be gotten rid of.

      Having said that, last night's melee was really nothing and I don't expect any short term or long term impact.

      Watching NBATV's post game coverage I did like that Greg Anthony and Chris Webber boith said the pacers are better than their record. Also they didn't seem to think the melee was a big deal
      I agree that the brawl was devastating. Remember, we still had Reggie on the team after the brawl. That was enough to still get fans to come out, especially after he announced his retirement. IIRC, we had excellent attendance down the stretch that season because people wanted to get one last look at Reggie. Plus he was playing well and leading the team on an inspiring run with Dale Davis starting right beside him like the old days. Reggie moved the brawl to the back burner for a few months. I think the magnitude of the brawl really set in the next season. Reggie and Davis were gone, and Artest had the trade demand. That's when you could really tell that a new dark era of Pacer basketball had arrived. The brawl symbolically defined that era.

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      • #18
        Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

        I was in line with Gnome's thinking. In person, I thought it looked awful. The replay definitely changed my mind and I'm proud of our guys for sticking together/standing up for themselves.

        However, and this is the annoying part, I've already been asked by 4 people at work about the Pacers fight last night. I hate that we don't get the attention we deserve for how good we are, but when this happens everyone seems to know about it.
        Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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        • #19
          Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

          I loved it. When you play that physical, guys are gonna hit back. That big shoulder bump between Lee and Hibbert looked like Godzilla and Mothra going at it.

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          • #20
            Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

            I can say that after seeing the local media reaction to this I am off the ledge. I am still very upset at the escalation of the description in ESPN's coverage in the early hours after the game, but I think that since no one else bit on the hype they scaled it back later. This is, however, a perfect example of a PTSD flashback - something happens that is much smaller scale but similar and it evokes the same intensity of reaction. I can only hope it only does this to the die-hards who watched the end of a precarious championship run that dark day in 2004.

            I will also observe that I have never seen Peck so happy and excited after a game. Remember that we only moved back to Indy and started having STs in 2008 - prior to that all my interactions were via PD and its predecessor. Most games Peck is at most "animated", this one I thought he was going to rip off a Sam Young backflip and start doing the banana dance himself.

            Everyone seems to have calmed down but it remains to be seen what Stern Measures (sic) will be taken to keep this kind of thing from getting out of hand. The damaged cynic in me expects suspensions for Roy and West, possibly multiple games, and nothing for Curry or Lee.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #21
              Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

              It's very frustrating to watch Hibbert find a way to shake off some of his nice guy softness, and for it to be perceived as a bad thing. My goodness, not only has the NBA game changed, but boy are we sensitive about "kerfluffles" here in this state. The brawl was eight years ago. The moment we start focusing on kicking a** on the court, and ignoring the casual fans... is the moment we start winning and bringing those casual fans back.

              I suspect that Roy will perform better from here on out on the court. I bet that a one game suspension, in the big scheme of things, will be worth it simply to see him play with an edge, which is all he really needs at this point.

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              • #22
                Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                Originally posted by mitchbr View Post
                . The officials only escalated it by sprinting in whistles blowing and shoving.
                careful there. One huge mistake the refs made in the real brawl was staying out of it. Something I will never forget or forgive. To clarify: I am not suggesting the refs should have gone up into the stands or break things up once Ron runs up into the stands, but the refs let tempers fester for a good minute or two prior to the cup being thrown - horrible job

                In fact last night one of the refs was also a ref in the real brawl. Now it is the refs job to get into the middle of it and break it up.

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                  All I kept thinking during it all is "Now Roy can keep his big butt upright." He has horrible balance, until he gets into a scrum and then can absorb literally everything and everyone one shoved at him.
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                    In person I thought it was bad, but I didn't care. Well, I was bummed about being shorthanded for the Clippers (I was sure we had a few 1 games suspensions coming) but I was still positive about it. I was right behind the basket so it looked a little scary, but it was great to see Roy stand up and not back down. I loved the team coming together with zero hesitation and I love that the Pacers get other teams so worked up that they can't take it anymore.

                    I just can't figure out how I could possibly love this team any more than I do.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                      at what point would we hear about suspensions if any are forthcoming?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                        Originally posted by TheDon View Post
                        at what point would we hear about suspensions if any are forthcoming?
                        That can vary. Soonest will be later this afternoon. There is a process, the refs submit their reports (which they do after every game anyway) the NBA reviews the film, they might interview some of the participants. There is no telling. Could be as late as tomorrow at 3:00 or 4:00.

                        edit - one thing I just double checked. The Warriors play tonight against the Knicks on ESPN. So they need to make a decision today and they would also make the decision about the Pacers today then also. They just always do it at the same time.

                        So I would guess around 4:00 we'll know something.

                        My best guess, Roy gets one game. There might be some fines, but nothing more
                        Last edited by Unclebuck; 02-27-2013, 10:30 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          careful there. One huge mistake the refs made in the real brawl was staying out of it. Something I will never forget or forgive. To clarify: I am not suggesting the refs should have gone up into the stands or break things up once Ron runs up into the stands, but the refs let tempers fester for a good minute or two prior to the cup being thrown - horrible job

                          In fact last night one of the refs was also a ref in the real brawl. Now it is the refs job to get into the middle of it and break it up.
                          I lost track of Ronnie, but I assume he was standing somewhere out of the way with his arms folded.....
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                          • #28
                            Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                            Look Roy has been getting very physical D from folks all season, he gets bumped quite a bit and it throws off his hook shot a lot. I am glad to see him respond....finally.

                            We got some bad mother ****ers on our hands folks. And Paul George is that dude. FIX YO FACES


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                            • #29
                              Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                              All I kept thinking during it all is "Now Roy can keep his big butt upright." He has horrible balance, until he gets into a scrum and then can absorb literally everything and everyone one shoved at him.
                              He's not allowed to use his ninja midget throws during the game.


                              [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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                              • #30
                                Re: Odd Thought's: Defiance (pummeling the Warriors)

                                I am sure there will be some "fans" that use this as an excuse to say see they are thugs, but they were never really fans nor were they ever really coming back to the loving embrace of the Pacers.

                                I completely agree with your sentiment Peck. I loved seeing Hibbert standing up for himself and throwing that little nat Curry around. I too did not think he had it in him. Seeing Hibbert not take their crap and then West coming in there like Sauron with his mace was great. This team is not backing down from anyone and we are not going to take teams trying to bully because they are getting smacked around by us.

                                With that said when it comes to the NBA and handing out punishment I am bit of a cynic so I can see Hibbert and West getting multiple game suspensions and Curry/Lee getting nothing.

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