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  • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

    Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
    They've won a title?

    The rest I don't give a **** about. Be the grammar police I don't give a ****. You don't like my opinion then quit reading it. I'm done dealing with someone that obviously just wants to be an ***.
    I've not said one thing derogatory towards you, only contested your opinions about what you think about this team, if you didn't want your opinion contested then you shouldn't have posted in this very active thread full of people contesting what others believe about this team.

    For the 2nd time you have called me an ***. Also I wasn't being the Grammar police, I was merely saying that you quit the Pacers, but your language implies that somehow you lost your fandom through a series of misfortunes.

    I dont' see why it matters they haven't won a title, lots of teams haven't won a title. Until 2006 the Miami Heat never won a title, 2 years ago the Mavericks won their first title with one really good player and bunch of role players.
    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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    • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

      Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
      t's expressed pretty clearly by some that no matter what your experience or reason is its wrong - it doesn't measure up.
      It's been expressed by 1 or 2 people. They don't add up to some. They add up to a very small minority that actually got called out by several other members of the boards.

      Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
      It's been expressed by some that its obviously racism and the colts are supported because you can't see that a large percentage of the players are black (helmets).
      That problem is not specific of Indiana. Residual racism does exist in our 2013 society. We shouldn't hide it under the rug, in my opinion. There's a reason that the NBA attracts more African American fans while the Nascar attracts more Caucasian fans.

      Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
      If this thread was posted in the star do you think it would help or hurt the pacers image?
      If the Pacers games were every night in national TV do you think that it would help or hurt the image of the Indianapolis fanbase?
      Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
      Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

      Panopticon

      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
        Thanks for the (lively) back and forth rm1369. Sincerely.

        I really do think it'd do all of us a ton of good to step back a bit and realize that die hard fans have entirely different priorities of why we'd support the franchise. I honestly don't get the seeming lack of understanding that a lot of people see going to a game the same sort of way they see going to a movie. Entertain me for a few hours and that's that.

        We're die hard fans guys, we watched the JOB years every night because we're a little...off I guess. We have an irrational attachment to a navy blue and yellow jersey because it says Indiana on it. We're what, maybe like 6000 strong? That ain't enough, clearly. Some of you guys have to realize that not every sports fan is OMG I BLEED BLUE AND GOLD AND THEY CAN ABUSE ME ALL THEY WANT JUST TAKE MY MONEY. Because whether you want to admit it or not that's what the vast majority of this forum is and the Pacers aren't going to survive on Pacers Digest posters.
        I dont' think anyone thinks the Pacers abuse them. Could it be that the majority of us here actually think the journey is just as important as the success? Thats why i am a die-hard fan even during their lowest lows. That doesn't make me off in anyway.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
          So, the Pacers need a title for you to support them?
          I've stated that my biggest issue is with a league that pretty much requires a superstar to win a title. IMO, the vast majority of teams that don't have a top 5 player are nothing but fodder. As with everything else, graphic-er dismiss my opinion by stating the pacers have already disproven it. They have not. Detroit is the only team in the 25+ years of my Pacers fandom that have won a title without a superstar. Plenty of teams have done very well in the regular season and a few have done well in the playoffs. But only that one actually won a title. As the pressure, visibility, and stakes increase the superstar becomes exponentially more valuable in the NBA.

          Do they have to win a title? No. But I have to feel they can. That doesn't mean they have to be on the cusp. I've supported them for many, many down years before I lost my faith in the league. And I've supported the colts since their arrival - good and bad. The difference is that I believe the nfl structure allows true competitiveness. I don't believe that in the NBA.

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          • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
            I dont' think anyone thinks the Pacers abuse them. Could it be that the majority of us here actually think the journey is just as important as the success? Thats why i am a die-hard fan even during their lowest lows. That doesn't make me off in anyway.
            I'm sorry, but yes it does. And I'm off because of it too. How else do you explain watching year after year of a team that you don't even actually enjoy watching? It's like hate watching a TV show. Dress it up and call it "die hard" all you want like it somehow means the previous 4+ years of wasting time watching crap basketball actually meant something, that's fine I'm the same way, but don't disparage people because they prefer to be actually legitimately entertained by something that should be an entertaining product.

            This phenomenon of calling someone out or whatever because they don't like watching something that sucks makes no logical sense.

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            • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

              Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
              I've not said one thing derogatory towards you, only contested your opinions about what you think about this team, if you didn't want your opinion contested then you shouldn't have posted in this very active thread full of people contesting what others believe about this team.

              For the 2nd time you have called me an ***. Also I wasn't being the Grammar police, I was merely saying that you quit the Pacers, but your language implies that somehow you lost your fandom through a series of misfortunes.

              I dont' see why it matters they haven't won a title, lots of teams haven't won a title. Until 2006 the Miami Heat never won a title, 2 years ago the Mavericks won their first title with one really good player and bunch of role players.
              Your continued insistance that my daughter didn't completly enjoy the pacer game because I don't care for the NBA is you being nothing but contrary. How can you possibly know what my daughter thought about the two experiences? How can you possibly know how I came to not follow the pacers closely after 25+ years of fandom? I've stated several times that other than purposely skipping a few games during the JOb era that I did not intend to become apathetic towards the Pacers, but it slowly happened for various reasons. I've even stated my preference to having that feeling back because I enjoy being a fan and enjoy losing myself in the team / experience. However you have essentially continued to call me a liar and a quitter. In my book that is being an ***. You are telling me how I feel and how my daughter felt. How the hell can you possible know? A large portion of this thread is people doing the same thing to anyone that isn't in a seat. A few have asked questions and tried to understand where I am coming from. You have not. I stand by my opinion of our of our interactions in this thread.

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              • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
                I've stated that my biggest issue is with a league that pretty much requires a superstar to win a title. IMO, the vast majority of teams that don't have a top 5 player are nothing but fodder. As with everything else, graphic-er dismiss my opinion by stating the pacers have already disproven it. They have not. Detroit is the only team in the 25+ years of my Pacers fandom that have won a title without a superstar. Plenty of teams have done very well in the regular season and a few have done well in the playoffs. But only that one actually won a title. As the pressure, visibility, and stakes increase the superstar becomes exponentially more valuable in the NBA.

                Do they have to win a title? No. But I have to feel they can. That doesn't mean they have to be on the cusp. I've supported them for many, many down years before I lost my faith in the league. And I've supported the colts since their arrival - good and bad. The difference is that I believe the nfl structure allows true competitiveness. I don't believe that in the NBA.
                Of course Superstars are important. Why shouldn't they be. In a game of 5 on 5, its only expected that certain players are going to be the creme de le creme. However superstars do not just exist, they are developed. So you can ***** and moan all you want about the unfairness of it all. Pacers had a superstar, but he wasn't as good as Jordan. Speaking of Chicago, it took the bulls almost a full decade to get another superstar. So its not like these players are just handed out to every big market team but the Pacers. The Knicks had an entire decade with out a superstar player!

                How many teams in the NFL has won a title with out a super star QB in the modern era?
                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                  Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                  I'm sorry, but yes it does. And I'm off because of it too. How else do you explain watching year after year of a team that you don't even actually enjoy watching? It's like hate watching a TV show. Dress it up and call it "die hard" all you want like it somehow means the previous 4+ years of wasting time watching crap basketball actually meant something, that's fine I'm the same way, but don't disparage people because they prefer to be actually legitimately entertained by something that should be an entertaining product.

                  This phenomenon of calling someone out or whatever because they don't like watching something that sucks makes no logical sense.
                  I enjoyed watching the 4 years of JOB era. It wasn't wasting time. I got see Danny Granger develop into a legit all-star. I go to see the team grow into what it is today. The basketball may not have been what it is today, but there is more to being a fan than watching the basketball.
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                    I enjoyed watching the 4 years of JOB era. It wasn't wasting time. I got see Danny Granger develop into a legit all-star. I go to see the team grow into what it is today. The basketball may not have been what it is today, but there is more to being a fan than watching the basketball.
                    And there's more to selling basketball tix than watching the one guy worth a damn on the team drain 3s. And those reasons you listed are what separates us from people that just want to see a good game. We're not gonna get 18,000 die hards every night to watch a one time All Star gunner develop.

                    Seriously man, I think you're asking far too much from the [potential] fanbase.

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                    • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                      That problem is not specific of Indiana. Residual racism does exist in our 2013 society. We shouldn't hide it under the rug, in my opinion. There's a reason that the NBA attracts more African American fans while the Nascar attracts more Caucasian fans.
                      I certainly understand that racism exists and i could no doubt find a pacer fan that isn't coming for that reason. But the insinuation that the stands aren't being filled because Indy is filled with racist is absurd and offensive. The city has supported many black players and coaches. Edgerin James with dreads and gold teeth is far more loved than the clean cut Marsh Faulk or Eric Dickerson. Tony Dungy was loved. Its the same town that supported a trash talking Reggie, DD, AD and absolutely loves Reggie Wayne. I can guarantee sports fans in this town can recognize edge, Marvin, Reggie Wayne, and Dwight Freeney without their helmets. It's no secret - their black. But they are loved for what they haven meant to the team and the city. IMO it's complete BS.


                      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                      I
                      If the Pacers games were every night in national TV do you think that it would help or hurt the image of the Indianapolis fanbase?
                      How other people perceive us? It would no doubt hurt. Although I'm not sure what that matters. I've not said why anyone shouldn't support the team. I've stated why I'm apethetic. I'm not really concerned how other cities perceive us. Miami's seats are filled but ask any other teams fans and they'll tell you how they are all bandwagon fans anyway. Same with LA - they don't go to watch the game, they go to be seen. Not sure what it matters.

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                      • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                        Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
                        Your continued insistance that my daughter didn't completly enjoy the pacer game because I don't care for the NBA is you being nothing but contrary. How can you possibly know what my daughter thought about the two experiences? How can you possibly know how I came to not follow the pacers closely after 25+ years of fandom? I've stated several times that other than purposely skipping a few games during the JOb era that I did not intend to become apathetic towards the Pacers, but it slowly happened for various reasons. I've even stated my preference to having that feeling back because I enjoy being a fan and enjoy losing myself in the team / experience. However you have essentially continued to call me a liar and a quitter. In my book that is being an ***. You are telling me how I feel and how my daughter felt. How the hell can you possible know? A large portion of this thread is people doing the same thing to anyone that isn't in a seat. A few have asked questions and tried to understand where I am coming from. You have not. I stand by my opinion of our of our interactions in this thread.
                        WTF? I didn't say anything about your daughter. I said you. Your original post said "I took my daughter to a game, had a so so time. I took my daughter to a Colts game, had a great time." Meaning you had a great time or a so so time. You said you didn't care for the team anymore. But you obviously like the NFL. If you state prior that you don't care for the team or league anymore, but went to a game and had so so experience. Its pretty easy to conclude that you are preconditioned to not have a great time at an NBA game. LOL! You must be drunk or really tired, because I didn't say anything regarding what your daughter thinks or says. You already said she dont' know anything about sports anyways, just which crowd is more fun. Why i would I focus on that? I focused on what you said about the team.
                        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                        • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                          Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
                          I've stated that my biggest issue is with a league that pretty much requires a superstar to win a title. IMO, the vast majority of teams that don't have a top 5 player are nothing but fodder. As with everything else, graphic-er dismiss my opinion by stating the pacers have already disproven it. They have not. Detroit is the only team in the 25+ years of my Pacers fandom that have won a title without a superstar. Plenty of teams have done very well in the regular season and a few have done well in the playoffs. But only that one actually won a title. As the pressure, visibility, and stakes increase the superstar becomes exponentially more valuable in the NBA.

                          Do they have to win a title? No. But I have to feel they can. That doesn't mean they have to be on the cusp. I've supported them for many, many down years before I lost my faith in the league. And I've supported the colts since their arrival - good and bad. The difference is that I believe the nfl structure allows true competitiveness. I don't believe that in the NBA.
                          I see. I don't believe that you necessarily need a superstar to win a title. I believe that several players are made into superstars when they win a title.

                          Dirk wouldn't be considered a superstar by many people prior to his title. I know for sure that he wasn't considered a top 5 player in 2011. But he did win.

                          Why? Because he had a real team besides him and played like the best player on the court for the most part of that Finals series.
                          Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                          Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                          Panopticon

                          Originally posted by IrishPacer
                          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                          • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post

                            Seriously man, I think you're asking far too much from the [potential] fanbase.
                            I guess so, because the other guy in this thread quit the team over that ****! LOL!
                            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                            • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                              Thanks for the (lively) back and forth rm1369. Sincerely.

                              I really do think it'd do all of us a ton of good to step back a bit and realize that die hard fans have entirely different priorities of why we'd support the franchise. I honestly don't get the seeming lack of understanding that a lot of people see going to a game the same sort of way they see going to a movie. Entertain me for a few hours and that's that.

                              We're die hard fans guys, we watched the JOB years every night because we're a little...off I guess. We have an irrational attachment to a navy blue and yellow jersey because it says Indiana on it. We're what, maybe like 6000 strong? That ain't enough, clearly. Some of you guys have to realize that not every sports fan is OMG I BLEED BLUE AND GOLD AND THEY CAN ABUSE ME ALL THEY WANT JUST TAKE MY MONEY. Because whether you want to admit it or not that's what the vast majority of this forum is and the Pacers aren't going to survive on Pacers Digest posters.
                              Thanks Heisenberg. I appreciate the discussion. I was a die hard fan for many many years. I understand where most on here are coming from. I'm just not there now and I believe there are many like me. I know several. Slightly different reasons / feelings, but the same overall situation.

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                              • Re: Fan to Pacers: Maybe we're just not that into you.

                                Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
                                I certainly understand that racism exists and i could no doubt find a pacer fan that isn't coming for that reason. But the insinuation that the stands aren't being filled because Indy is filled with racist is absurd and offensive. The city has supported many black players and coaches. Edgerin James with dreads and gold teeth is far more loved than the clean cut Marsh Faulk or Eric Dickerson. Tony Dungy was loved. Its the same town that supported a trash talking Reggie, DD, AD and absolutely loves Reggie Wayne. I can guarantee sports fans in this town can recognize edge, Marvin, Reggie Wayne, and Dwight Freeney without their helmets. It's no secret - their black. But they are loved for what they haven meant to the team and the city. IMO it's complete BS.
                                I didn't say that the stands aren't being filled because Indy is filled with racists. I just noted that there is indeed residual racism in most people. Nothing more and nothing less. I'm not making a point about it regarding the Pacers or the Colts. It was just something that was noted and I agreed that it indeed plays a role even in our subconscious.

                                Originally posted by rm1369 View Post
                                How other people perceive us? It would no doubt hurt. Although I'm not sure what that matters. I've not said why anyone shouldn't support the team. I've stated why I'm apethetic. I'm not really concerned how other cities perceive us. Miami's seats are filled but ask any other teams fans and they'll tell you how they are all bandwagon fans anyway. Same with LA - they don't go to watch the game, they go to be seen. Not sure what it matters.
                                There's a big difference between fans of other teams thinking of the fanbase of your franchise as bandwagoners or show-offs and them thinking that your franchise should move to another city because no one is giving a damn about it in the city in which they play.

                                But as I said my problem is not with the attendance. It's your right to not attend. It's not your right to just spew BS about the team out of spite and bitterness.

                                Which is why I have been polite with you. You haven't spewed any BS or misinformation about the team. You're jut explaining why you're not coming to games. But, believe me, I wouldn't be polite with that person that wrote the article.
                                Last edited by Nuntius; 02-23-2013, 04:53 AM.
                                Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                                Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

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                                Originally posted by IrishPacer
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