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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

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  • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

    Vogel has already said Danny is going to start when he comes back. I seriously have a hard time believing Danny is going to play the 2. The options of who plays where are pretty limited.
    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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    • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      Lance will stay as starter for the rest of the year?
      He talked to Vogel and he told him that he wants Paul George guarding the best player on the other team and in the east a lot of the best players are small forwards(Lebron, Melo, Deng, etc) so Danny is going to guard some small guards.
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
        Vogel has already said Danny is going to start when he comes back. I seriously have a hard time believing Danny is going to play the 2. The options of who plays where are pretty limited.
        Small-ball with David moving to the #5?

        (And just to be clear: )
        Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
        Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
        Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
        Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
        And life itself, rushing over me
        Life itself, the wind in black elms,
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        • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          According to Wells on 1070 the fan Paul George will play SF when Danny gets back.
          Yea I heard that too, I definitely thought it was interesting.

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          • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

            I'm just ready to see what happens when Danny comes back soon. Whether it is Danny or Lance coming off the bench, that is still a huge upgrade to the second unit. This seems to be a good problem to have in the near future.

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            • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

              Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
              Small-ball with David moving to the #5?

              (And just to be clear: )
              In general, I agree. But I think it works in situations.

              Hill/Lance/PG/Danny/West would be a good lineup for the Heat when LBJ slides to the 4.
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              • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                Sure. Would Deng score more points on Danny? Maybe, although Danny generally guards him well. But they got 34 points out of their SG spot. Paul George cuts that in half, Deng scores an extra 3 buckets on Danny, and we're still coming out ahead by 12 points.
                I thought it worked out beautifully the way it was. Deng has given us fits at times over the last few years and for me it was nice to see someone shut him down for a change.

                Plus, I don't want Paul George chasing someone like Bellinelli off of screens all night. He is way too important to our offense to waste energy chasing a shooter around. I want him on the guy who can break the defense down, not the guy who wants to shoot over the top of it.

                Obviously this might have something to do with me wanting Granger out of Lance's way, but whatever.

                Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                it would be awesome. Danny is both offensive and defensively better than Lance. The size of Pacer wings would make it a nightmare matchup for the other side. For example, how could Belinelli have guarded Paul George. Nor would be have been able to get shots as easily vs Paul as he did vs Lance. Even better when Paul learns to post guys up.
                I disagree, Granger isn't better than Lance at anything on offense anymore except maybe shooting 3's. He doesn't handle the ball as well, he doesn't move without the ball as good, he can't pass as well, he doesn't rebound any better, and he shoots a much lower %. He just takes more shots and scores more points.

                And on defense the only thing Granger does better than Lance is challenge & block shots. He definitely doesn't guard perimeter players any better.

                I'm not saying Granger won't be a plus for us when he comes back. But Lance going out of the line up hurts us in several areas.
                Last edited by Taterhead; 02-05-2013, 01:02 PM.
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                • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  And according to Wells he think Danny could be back against the Bobcats.
                  One game right before the all star break? What's the point?


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                  • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    One guy right before the all star break? What's the point?
                    Give him some run with scheduled rest to see how the knee reacts.

                    Also, the matchup against Charlotte is favorable, don't want to be breaking Danny in against teams that we need to give 100% to beat. We have a bit more of a cushion against Charlotte than Chicago/Brooklyn etc.

                    I figure they want to see him get out there and play, then watch him closely the next few days (Don't the Pacers get a six or seven day break?)

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                    • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                      Originally posted by Derek2k3 View Post
                      Give him some run with scheduled rest to see how the knee reacts.

                      Also, the matchup against Charlotte is favorable, don't want to be breaking Danny in against teams that we need to give 100% to beat. We have a bit more of a cushion against Charlotte than Chicago/Brooklyn etc.

                      I figure they want to see him get out there and play, then watch him closely the next few days (Don't the Pacers get a six or seven day break?)
                      Yes, we get a 7 day break. I still think I'd just wait til after the all star break though if you're gonna wait til Charlotte.


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                      • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                        Hey folks, 8 points 9 seconds has some info on Paul playing the 3.

                        Paul is DEFINITELY playing the 3 when Danny gets back. According to Paul, he likes playing the 3 more on offense because he starts the offense on the left side of the court which he prefers instead of the right. For Danny it doesn't matter since he's a spot up shooter.

                        So when it comes to offensive roles, Paul will be playing the "3" while Danny will be playing the "2'

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                        • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                          Originally posted by Derek2k3 View Post
                          Give him some run with scheduled rest to see how the knee reacts.

                          Also, the matchup against Charlotte is favorable, don't want to be breaking Danny in against teams that we need to give 100% to beat. We have a bit more of a cushion against Charlotte than Chicago/Brooklyn etc.

                          I figure they want to see him get out there and play, then watch him closely the next few days (Don't the Pacers get a six or seven day break?)
                          I'm actually thinking the other way. I'd rather bring him back against NJ or even TOR, let him get some minutes (10-12) to get his rhythm back, and then let him get extended minutes (15-20 depending on conditioning) against the Bobcats right before the ASB.

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                          • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                            Originally posted by mattie View Post
                            Hey folks, 8 points 9 seconds has some info on Paul playing the 3.

                            Paul is DEFINITELY playing the 3 when Danny gets back. According to Paul, he likes playing the 3 more on offense because he starts the offense on the left side of the court which he prefers instead of the right. For Danny it doesn't matter since he's a spot up shooter.

                            So when it comes to offensive roles, Paul will be playing the "3" while Danny will be playing the "2'
                            So like I said it pretty much doesn't matter what you call them. Ok this makes more sense. I still think we will pretty much always see Paul on the quicker guy. Just need to start thinking of it as two wings, instead of a 2 and a 3.


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                            • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                              Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                              I'm actually thinking the other way. I'd rather bring him back against NJ or even TOR, let him get some minutes (10-12) to get his rhythm back, and then let him get extended minutes (15-20 depending on conditioning) against the Bobcats right before the ASB.
                              This is what I would be trying to do also.


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                              • Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

                                Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                                I know you said you didn't mean to single me out, but I do wanna say that I do not receive enjoyment out of another human beings suffering. This wasn't said at the time of injury, this wasn't said during a rehab session, this was said to a player who is up running, jumping, shooting around and will be back to playing in the NBA within a few weeks. So you should try looking a little deeper into a circumstance before saying one's behavior is "despicable"

                                At the end of the day, Derrick Rose is a big boy (a handsomely paid big boy at that) and I'm sure he's heard much worse at various sporting events. No it may not make what I said "okay" but at the same time, I'm QUITE SURE he didn't go home too worried about what I said nor too worried about Steagles t-shirt. When you're a public figure, professional athlete, etc--negativity from those that see you perform comes with the territory imo. Is there a sensitivity line that shouldn't be crossed? Sure. But neither me nor Steagles crossed it. But thanks for your opinion anyway
                                I just don't see the distinction or logic in your post though. I understand that he's nearly healed, but he still suffered a pretty bad injury and you're mocking that fact.

                                And your logic is that because he plays a game in public (money has nothing to do with this) he should expect people to be rude and offensive to him, and what you said is okay because it wasn't the worst thing someone could say to him? Is that where we're at as a society? It should just be expected that we're going to be classless towards people in public? Is that how you want your character to be defined? I know you think it's just a game and he's a "big boy," and I'm sure he didn't cry himself to sleep, but are you proud of that type of behavior?

                                It's not a big deal I guess, as people have been displaying this type of behavior since the coliseum, but I try my best not to find pleasure in another's misfortune. /rant

                                I'm just frustrated with society in general, Ace. I'm just using your posts for talking points. Please don't take it personally.

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