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Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

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  • #91
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

    Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post

    I dont think anyone feels that way. they just think Bird did a hell of a job, and he did.

    The thanks for that post disagrees.

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    • #92
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

      Originally posted by SycamoreKen View Post

      but then fixed it by trading him for Jack. Still not sure why Golden State made that deal.

      Jack had become a PITA, and they wanted him out... even at that cost.

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      • #93
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
        Jack had become a PITA, and they wanted him out... even at that cost.
        I can understand that. Guess both teams won in a sense.

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        • #94
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

          Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
          I wasn't the one who 1st used the term "stud team." Now, was I? I just responded using what someone else posted.

          So Bird now gets credit for Mahinmi. Then he gets credit for Green and Augustin too. You can't have it both ways.

          It was obvious going into the 3rd year that JOB had lost the team. Do you not remember these conversations here on PD? Why pick up his TO only to fire him half way thru the season?

          In my opinion, Foster's 2 year contract and last years contract aren't WEAK. They were blunders.

          I'm sorry I can't be a Bird apologist like so many others.

          Has Bird put together a good team? ABSOLUTELY!!! Do I wish he was PBO instead of Walsh? HE11 YES! If Bird doesn't return, will I be heartbroken? Sorry, no. As a matter of fact, I'll be surprised if Bird does come back. I really don't care one way or the other if Bird returns. AGAIN, I like the team Bird has assembled.
          Please read what i stated. Bird gets credit for being patient and staying the course with the 3 year plan. The team he inherited was awful. Walsh/Bird FO did not work. Bird in charge solo assembled a team of solid players. He made good trades. JO for Hibbert, Nesto (cleared 10M in cap room), TJ Ford; Darren Collison deal. Was close to acquiring OJ Mayo twice. Drafted well: Paul George, Hibbert, Lance, Hansbrough.

          Again, take another look at the team Bird inherited and the cap situation. Hill, George, Granger, West, Hibbert, Stephenson, Hansbrough, (Collison - who netted us Mahinmi). Bird built a core as he said he would. I would have liked to have seen Bird finish it. Who knows if that will happen.

          The team Bird constructed is much better than the one he began with as President of Basketball Operations.

          The Obrien and Foster reasons you have give are not relevant to me and worthy of discussion. I can give you Holliday, Rhondo, Lawson. Point Gaurd is the only position Bird missed on. I think I can take that and be very content with the current Pacers team.

          As I stated, His track record regarding the draft, trades, taking over a team suffering from the brawl and a lukewarm fanbase.

          This team could easily still be in the bottom of the pack and suck. Were being spoke of as a contender by major mainstream media reports. This is not NY, LA, MIA, CHI, BOS, DALLAS.

          Guys, this is not the Reggie Miller NBA. The Pacers are an afterthought for the most part in the nba. Appreciate this because like i said, we could still be stuck in mediority and going nowhere. instead we have the following


          Granger, West, Hibbert, George, Lance, Hill, Hansbrough, Mahinmi, Orlando Johnson

          this core will keep us competitive. win us 50 games for the next 5 seasons.

          Kudos Legend

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          • #95
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
            NO ONE has said ANY GM ****ed up this team. Only that every Bird decision hasn't been gold like some seem to feel. Please read more carefully!
            Okay fine, after an impressive win against one of the best teams in the league, we're having a pissing contest about just HOW awesome Larry Bird was at his job in building this team, and making sure to point out each and every mistake he made.

            God forbid people just sit back and enjoy the ride for a little bit. All I'm sayin'.

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            • #96
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

              To the fear question for a moment. I want to make certain that everyone understands that I am saying we do not fear the Heat. I am not saying the Heat fear the Pacers.

              I think that this is what makes for such a compelling series between the two, there is no fear from either team & I just have to believe that this is at the very least disappointing to the Heat. I think one of the tools that they have is that their aura overwhelms some teams even if on occasion it doesn't.

              I just believe that not only do we not fear the Heat we want the Heat. Now don't get me wrong the Pacers still respect the Heat (well there may be a question about Lance) but that respect is just because of the talent.


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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              • #97
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                there is no fear from either team & I just have to believe that this is at the very least disappointing to the Heat. I think one of the tools that they have is that their aura overwhelms some teams even if on occasion it doesn't.

                I just believe that not only do we not fear the Heat we want the Heat. Now don't get me wrong the Pacers still respect the Heat (well there may be a question about Lance) but that respect is just because of the talent.
                Regarding this important intangible, Vogel apparently gets a lot of credit. He is willing to play the front role of representing that "no fear" mentality. Kind of unusual for coaches, wouldn't you say?

                And the synergy between Vogel and Lance has got to be interesting. On the one hand, Vogel is batting him down and telling him to get in line. On the other hand, you know he secretly loves Lance's irreverent attitude toward the self-proclaimed chosen ones.
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • #98
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                  Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                  Regarding this important intangible, Vogel apparently gets a lot of credit. He is willing to play the front role of representing that "no fear" mentality. Kind of unusual for coaches, wouldn't you say?

                  And the synergy between Vogel and Lance has got to be interesting. On the one hand, Vogel is batting him down and telling him to get in line. On the other hand, you know he secretly loves Lance's irreverent attitude toward the self-proclaimed chosen ones.
                  I used to absolutely revere NFL running back Barry Sanders for slowing to a walk in the end zone after leaving half the opposing players' jock straps on the field, then nonchalantly handing the ball to the ref and jogging to the sidelines. Class personified.

                  I just might pee my pants if, come playoff time, I see Lance steal the ball from DWade, make an uncontested layup, and nonchalantly hand the ball to the ref and jog to the sidelines as the Heat call a desperation time-out.

                  Act like you've been there before.
                  Last edited by DrFife; 02-03-2013, 09:43 AM.


                  "I think if he is and we pass on Leaf we'd be some dumb mother ****ers."

                  - Larry Bird to Kevin Pritchard before their pick on Draft Day

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                  • #99
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                    I think these two things are related. Miami wanted this game, sure, but they (and specifically their coaching staff) didn't care about it as much as we did. Spo isn't a bad coach; he out-coached Vogel in last year's playoffs. I expect he's saving a few wrinkles for the playoffs, similar to how we waited all year to put Paul George on D.Rose. He doesn't want to show his whole hand yet.

                    I'm not saying he didn't want to win the game last night, far from it. It was a bad loss for them. But while LeBron allows for extreme roster and coverage flexibility, I don't expect him to play that card much until the time is right.
                    I live in the Heat market and listened to their lengthy pregame radio show with interviews with Spoelstra and others.

                    The Heat had circled this game on the calendar. They had EXTENSIVE film review session of our last game with them. They thought they were ready and took us seriously. Not a playoff level of preparation, for sure, but still significant.

                    All the better. I think that we ARE in their heads.
                    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                    • Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                      This is good to know. The Heat came out of the blocks looking like they had made the pregame preparations. The Spoelstra had made a couple of nice adjustments on offense to get Bosh some warm-up jumpers and drag Roy away from the paint. It took Frank about five minutes to see them and fix them. The Heat's ball pressure started early and I don't know if the Pacers did something to counteract it or if the Heat just got tired.

                      Good to know the Heat were saying the grapes were sour after the game.

                      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                      I live in the Heat market and listened to their lengthy pregame radio show with interviews with Spoelstra and others.

                      The Heat had circled this game on the calendar. They had EXTENSIVE film review session of our last game with them. They thought they were ready and took us seriously. Not a playoff level of preparation, for sure, but still significant.

                      All the better. I think that we ARE in their heads.

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                      • Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                        Bird missed badly on drafting Hans instead of Holiday, yes? Bird's biggest complaint about the team was that they were soft. You see anything soft about Tyler? At the time, IMO, Hans was drafted to bring some toughness alongside Foster. The fact that he was hurt when he came in and had the vertigo problem changed the plan. JOB not playing him may have been the reason Bird finally pulled the trigger on his contract. When Vogel talked about "smash mouth basketball" who was the player that first came to mind? Murphy? When Jeff got hurt and couldn't play, Murphy turned into Collison, Vogel started Tyler and PG and changed the way the Pacers had looked for years. IIRC, Granger, Hans and McBob on the floor together made "small ball" fun again and not just an excuse to shoot more 3s. JMOAA, and of course, David West just added to the toughness and talent content of this team in a major way!
                        Last edited by Cousy47; 02-03-2013, 10:51 AM.

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                        • Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                          I always thought Hans was drafted for marketing reasons.

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                          • Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                            I always thought Hans was drafted for marketing reasons.
                            Drafting a player for Marketing Reasons doesn't really work when you're a losing team. It'll work in the short-term, anyway. But by January, ticket sales and attendance numbers would fade back to where they were the year before.

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                            • Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                              Originally posted by Day-V View Post
                              Drafting a player for Marketing Reasons doesn't really work when you're a losing team. It'll work in the short-term, anyway. But by January, ticket sales and attendance numbers would fade back to where they were the year before.
                              well, I mean, the assumption would be that he'd be a solid NBA player given his college career, and everyone knew who he was.

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                              • Re: Odd Thoughts: Heat of the moment

                                Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                                Regarding this important intangible, Vogel apparently gets a lot of credit. He is willing to play the front role of representing that "no fear" mentality. Kind of unusual for coaches, wouldn't you say?

                                And the synergy between Vogel and Lance has got to be interesting. On the one hand, Vogel is batting him down and telling him to get in line. On the other hand, you know he secretly loves Lance's irreverent attitude toward the self-proclaimed chosen ones.
                                Frank is just special, period.

                                However the funny thought running in my mind was that poor Lance was probably getting contradictory messages from the two leaders of the team. David West was on the court saying calm down young fella while whenever he would go to the bench Danny was probably saying don't let Wade disrespect you like that, I thought I heard James say something about Brooklyn you can't stand for that.

                                Kind of like a devil & angel on his shoulder type of thing.


                                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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