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Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again :)

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  • #16
    Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

    Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
    Yeah, he didn't rebuild *****. O'Brien's vision of the pacers and the current makeup of the roster couldn't possibly be any more different
    It wasn't JOB's vision. It was Larry Bird's vision. He brought O'Brien in to be a disciplinarian and to mold the roster into a running team. He did what he was hired to do and he did it well with an almost complete roster turnover.... Coaches in rebuilding situations never get to reap the fruit of their efforts..... You will note that he quickly went to work for another Bird disciple in Dallas. I never heard Bird say a negative word about JOB....... If Bird goes to another team as is rumored, don't be surprised if JOB comes along too...... ...

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    • #17
      Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      I'm pretty sure he was not the one in charge of rebuilding the Pacers if that was the case we would have a team filled with a bunch of stretch forwards that can't play D worth a damn.
      No, he was given the job of working what Bird provided him, laying down a strong foundation of team discipline to a team that sorely needed it, keep winning enough games to keep the team from going into the dregs and mold it into a running team. He did all of that and he did it well..... ...

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      • #18
        Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #19
          Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

          Even though some on here may not always agree with OlBlu, let's stop with the namecalling. He has a somewhat different view on certain things, and you may or may not agree, but if you take a step back, he does add a different dimension to the discussion at times.

          Now onto the discussion, I agree that JOB did do a lot of things that were wrong. He didn't play the young players, he was stubborn, and he did use a basketball philosophy that most people did not enjoy. We can overstate it for popularity sake, let's shoot 3's all day long as soon as we cross half court and to make sure we can get up enough 3's, let's not play defense so we can use the great equalisor. However, I have to agree with OlBlu that he did instill harsh rules, everybody had to follow suit and he did instill a winning mentality. Even if you are crap, you are not allowed to slack off and are forced to squeeze out as many wins as is possible. You keep on playing hard! Even though some things coulda/shoulda/woulda been different, the players did learn some things.

          Though most of us did not like the playing style, people were fed up with the throw the ball in the post and let's wait until somethings happens... or not!-style that Carlisle had the team playing. Just go back to earlier threads on PD.
          Last edited by pacersgroningen; 01-30-2013, 05:47 PM. Reason: grammar
          Yay, we don't know what we're doing as a franchise! thanks PG!

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          • #20
            Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

            http://blogs.pacers.com/vogel-era-began-two-years-ago/

            Today – Jan. 30, 2013 – is a notable day in Indiana Pacers history. Two years ago, Larry Bird fired Jim O’Brien after three-and-a-half seasons and promoted Frank Vogel, a guy with zero head coaching experience, to interim head coach.
            The move paid off and the health of the franchise is much greater because of it.
            Jim O’Brien didn’t sit well with players. The team was 17-27 on Jan 30., 2011. My last memory of O’Brien is watching him get tossed the night before in Chicago, and being escorted off the floor by John Gray, the teams’ Director of Team Security.
            Enter Vogel (a loyal friend and mentee of O’Brien’s), who paid his dues — working his way up from video coordinator, to scout, to assistant coach and was now directing an NBA team. He built a great rapport in the locker room and it was his relationships and up-beat attitude that would change the culture of the franchise.
            Bring on smashmouth basketball. That was the term he used to describe their play over the first year-and-a-half.
            Vogel finished the year 20-18 and had the interim tag removed over the summer. He went out and hired Brian Shaw, a worthy head coach, to be his Associate Head Coach. He also brought on a former head coach in Jim Boylen and kept longtime assistant Dan Burke on board.
            Last season, he guided the Pacers to a 42-24 record, good for the fifth-best record in the NBA during the lockout-shortened season. This year, the Pacers have been among the top of the Eastern Conference without the services of Danny Granger. When the team struggled in the early going, Vogel wasn’t afraid to shake things up and implement change.
            Just over three weeks ago on Jan. 7th, Vogel received a contract extension which both recognized what he has done and provided some job security.
            On the two-year anniversary of his start as an NBA head coach, Frank Vogel, the second-youngest active NBA coach behind Orlando’s Jacque Vaughn, has a career record of 88-61 (.591).
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • #21
              Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

              Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
              Even though some on here may not always agree with OlBlu, let's stop with the namecalling. He has a somewhat different view on certain things, and you may or may not agree, but if you take a step back, he does add a different dimension to the discussion at times.

              Now onto the discussion, I agree that JOB did do a lot of things that were wrong. He didn't play the young players, he was stubborn, and he did use a basketball philosophy that most people did not enjoy. We can overstate it for popularity sake, let's shoot 3's all day long as soon as we cross half court and to make sure we can get up enough 3's, let's not play defense so we can use the great equalisor. However, I have to agree with OlBlu that he did instill harsh rules, everybody had to follow suit and he did instill a winning mentality. Even if you are crap, you are not allowed to slack off and are forced to squeeze out as many wins as is possible. You keep on playing hard! Even though some things coulda/shoulda/woulda been different, the players did learn some things.

              Though most of us did not like the playing style, people were fed up with the throw the ball in the post and let's wait until somethings happens... or not!-style that Carlisle had the team playing. Just go back to earlier threads on PD.
              Well said. The current Lakers coach has a high profile job although I am not a fan, he is very similar to JOB in all the things that you state. At the time that JOB was hired, Phoenix seemed to be new big thing and I think that had a lot to with Bird hiring JOB and forcing that running game..... ...

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              • #22
                Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                The smella is the fella...... ...

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                • #23
                  Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                  What a great day that was in Pacers history! From that first interview Frank did, I have been sold.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                    Well said. The current Lakers coach has a high profile job although I am not a fan, he is very similar to JOB in all the things that you state. At the time that JOB was hired, Phoenix seemed to be new big thing and I think that had a lot to with Bird hiring JOB and forcing that running game..... ...
                    D'Antoni isn't a complete ******* to his players. (Bryant and Nash actually like him..)
                    And although there are similarities, and yes, D'Antoni likes skilled bigmen, D'Antoni's offense is significantly better and actually involves a lot of traditional basketball fundamentals.

                    IMO, JOB was much closer to Westhead's philosophy, which was "run the ball and take the first open shot" essentially. But once again, Westhead is a significantly better coach and showed over time that he was willing to adjust his sytem to his teams, or at least did so when he was older.

                    Bottom line is, teams where Westhead and D'Antoni's systems worked had players who supported them. I have yet to hear of a player respecting JOB at all, (In fact, pretty much the most positive review of Jimmy has come from AJ Price...who when prodded to say something negative about JOB...laughs a bit and simply compliments Frank.) but a whole lot of them have openly and pretty aggressively stated their dislike (and not just Pacers players.)

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                    • #25
                      Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                      This is interesting OlBlu in here propping up JOB and Vnzla hasn't jumped his ****? What up with that?


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                      • #26
                        Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                        The man is a first class NBA coach and he did a great job in rebuilding the Pacers on the fly..... ...


                        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                        The man is currently an assistant to a first class NBA coach and he significantly impeded the progress of the great job Larry Bird did rebuilding the Pacers over the course of several long years for myriad reasons exceptionally well known to even most casual observers..... ...
                        Hopefully this is what you actually intended to post.

                        You must have been having technical difficulties. I am just trying to help.

                        Sometimes messages being sent via wireless connections used by those in motorhomes (especially in rural or very densely populated cities filled with skyscrapers) can end up being scrambled or hacked, and when the messages are finally posted they can end up being quite different from the intent of the sender.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                          I remember disapproving because of him following JOB every step of his career, assumed he'd be JOB Jr I guess. Thought they should've given Burke the title instead. I know a lot about basketball.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                            Bottom line is, teams where Westhead and D'Antoni's systems worked had players who supported them. I have yet to hear of a player respecting JOB at all, (In fact, pretty much the most positive review of Jimmy has come from AJ Price...who when prodded to say something negative about JOB...laughs a bit and simply compliments Frank.) but a whole lot of them have openly and pretty aggressively stated their dislike (and not just Pacers players.)

                            Do I need to dig out the stuff from Paul Pierce and A. Walker.

                            I consider it a dead issue, but some people keep bringing it up.

                            Edit: In fact Paul George in a way complimented Jim O'Brien just a few weeks ago. What he said though was positive about Jim O'Brien
                            Last edited by Unclebuck; 01-31-2013, 11:57 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                              Originally posted by Brad8888 View Post




                              Hopefully this is what you actually intended to post.

                              You must have been having technical difficulties. I am just trying to help.

                              Sometimes messages being sent via wireless connections used by those in motorhomes (especially in rural or very densely populated cities filled with skyscrapers) can end up being scrambled or hacked, and when the messages are finally posted they can end up being quite different from the intent of the sender.
                              NO!!! I meant no such thing and please do not change my posts to make it look like I said anything like that. I meant just what I said. My intent was clear as was my message. Are you one of the many who said that JOB would never get another NBA job? Well, he did and it is a good one. JOB carried out Larry Bird's orders with that team. If Bird takes over in Seattle, I would not be surprised to see him bring JOB in as a head coach. He might temper the run and gun with that team but he can do that too..... ...

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                              • #30
                                Re: Exactly two years ago Vogel replaced the clown as the Pacers coach lets celebrate again

                                Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                                NO!!! I meant no such thing and please do not change my posts to make it look like I said anything like that. I meant just what I said. My intent was clear as was my message. Are you one of the many who said that JOB would never get another NBA job? Well, he did and it is a good one. JOB carried out Larry Bird's orders with that team. If Bird takes over in Seattle, I would not be surprised to see him bring JOB in as a head coach. He might temper the run and gun with that team but he can do that too..... ...
                                Fair enough.

                                Yes, I never thought anyone would have hired him after the abysmal job he did with our young squad. I guess Carlisle is loyal to Celtic pride, also, and might have even felt like JOB was put through the ringer by the Pacers and deserved a chance to redeem himself. Who knows, maybe Carlisle has a long standing relationship with Dr. Jack Ramsay?

                                The rigidity of JOB and his system never has changed, and wouldn't if, as you suggest, Larry Bird is hired in Seattle and decides to hire him again out of respect for the loyalty JOB showed him if JOB carried out what must have been Larry Bird's orders to purposely tank that team.

                                He also is a Pitino true believer through and through, and the faster a team plays the better he always has liked it regardless if his players have the ability to play that way or not. His belief in increasing the pace of play is second only to his even more staunch belief that floor spacing is created by shooting 3's whether they are going in or not, and approximately as important to him as willfully playing players out of position to create mismatches and driving lanes regardless of the fact that his system becomes easily defended due to its reliance on the MAKING of 3's.

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