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RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

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  • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
    Look, this discussion of trading Danny is simply not worth continuing before the summer. Until summer, Danny is untradable.

    If I'm another team, I wouldn't look at Danny unless he's healthy the rest of the season. Too much risk. If you trade for a guy that's injured, you're an idiot. End of story.

    If I'm the Pacers, you don't trade Danny unless you're positive that he won't come back from the injury. Until then, he's more valuable to you than to anyone else. And if he's not going to come back from his injury, then nobody's gonna want to trade for him anyway.

    So any trade that includes Danny is gonna be disagreeable to both sides. There's not a fair trade to be had at this point.
    About time I agree with you, that's why I posted the conversation I had with the Orlando guy but it looks like some people didn't see it.
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    • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      About time I agree with you, that's why I posted the conversation I had with the Orlando guy but it looks like some people didn't see it.
      Well, we agree that Danny's untradeable. Right now he's a pig in a poke.

      We disagree that Danny for Redick/Davis would be a good trade for the Pacers.
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      • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
        Well, we agree that Danny's untradeable. Right now he's a pig in a poke.

        We disagree that Danny for Redick/Davis would be a good trade for the Pacers.
        A healthy 2006-10 Danny Granger? probably no, an injured untradeable Danny Granger that nobody would trade for(as you said) for that package is an steal for the Pacers and of course Orlando would say hell no!
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        • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          A healthy 2006-10 Danny Granger? probably no, an injured untradeable Danny Granger that nobody would trade for(as you said) for that package is an steal for the Pacers and of course Orlando would say hell no!
          But the risk is asymetrical. There's no reason to expect Danny not to recover (plenty of other players have), so the Pacers would be making a bad trade (since they expect him to recover). But if worst comes to worst, Orlando's management would be crucified for trading two core players for a guy with no knees.
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          • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            A healthy 2006-10 Danny Granger? probably no, an injured untradeable Danny Granger that nobody would trade for(as you said) for that package is an steal for the Pacers and of course Orlando would say hell no!
            I agree that any combo of healthy players is not worth an injured player. Bogut/Ellis is the exception that proves the rule.

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            • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
              But the risk is asymetrical. There's no reason to expect Danny not to recover (plenty of other players have), so the Pacers would be making a bad trade (since they expect him to recover). But if worst comes to worst, Orlando's management would be crucified for trading two core players for a guy with no knees.
              That's why I think Orlando would be crazy to offer that kind of package for Danny, they have other injured players that would have to be included on a deal for Orlando to even think about it, like I said before I thought I was a homer for even suggesting that kind of deal for an injured Danny I guess I'm not enough of a homer
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              • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                I know race/stereotypes has already been brought up in that Granger hatred thread and I hate to bring it up again, but it really is amazing to see how immediately some people are to assume a white shooting specialist is a defensive liability. People would be amazed to see how much Reddick's game has improved since he came out of college. Much improved passer, and has really expanded his game as a whole.

                Not saying I would necessarily take vznla's trade, but it wasn't nearly as awful as some made it out to be.
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                • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  That's why I think Orlando would be crazy to offer that kind of package for Danny, they have other injured players that would have to be included on a deal for Orlando to even think about it, like I said before I thought I was a homer for even suggesting that kind of deal for an injured Danny I guess I'm not enough of a homer
                  When you say "other injured Players" in your post, are you suggesting that Granger himself is still injured and therefore would yield a lower trade value in any trade scenario?
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                  • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                    Originally posted by Pace Maker View Post
                    I know race/stereotypes has already been brought up in that Granger hatred thread and I hate to bring it up again, but it really is amazing to see how immediately some people are to assume a white shooting specialist is a defensive liability. People would be amazed to see how much Reddick's game has improved since he came out of college. Much improved passer, and has really expanded his game as a whole.

                    Not saying I would necessarily take vznla's trade, but it wasn't nearly as awful as some made it out to be.
                    I don't think that's it. I think it has more to do with the fact that Reddick was a really awful defender for quite a while. His defensive effort is a recent improvement.
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                    • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      like I said before I thought I was a homer for even suggesting that kind of deal for an injured Danny I guess I'm not enough of a homer
                      But you're still not getting my point, I think. You continue to assume what you have since the summer, which is that if Danny comes back at all, it will be as a shell of his former self, and even that former self you've wanted to ship out for years. My point is that the risk of Danny not coming back is much greater for Orlando than it is for us. Any trade will be FAR more dangerous for them than for us.

                      Let's say everybody involved agrees that Danny has an 80% chance of coming back at 100%. In that scenario, if you're the Pacers, you're going to hold onto him unless an amazing deal comes along, because he's a known quantity and you know you'll like him if he comes back 100%. If not, you're no worse off than you already are. If you're Orlando, though, that 20% chance of failure on an unknown quantity is prohibitive.

                      The trade you proposed is bad for both sides. It's not enough coming to Indiana to make it worthwhile, and there's not enough going to Orlando to mitigate their risk.
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                      • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        Danny+Tyler+Green for Redick+Big Baby+Mcbob works, Redick can replace some of Danny's scoring and he can also bring that ball movement and passing we have been asking for in a long time, Big Baby can replace Tyler(he is averaging 15 and 7).

                        Pacers starting unit: Hill, Redick, Paul George, West and Hibbert.
                        To do this, Paul George will have to prove that he can handle the offensive burden on road games. 'Till he proves it, we desperately need Danny.

                        PS: Big Baby is a much better player than Tyler. Actually, I'd say that Glen is better than Redick at the moment.
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                        • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                          To do this, Paul George will have to prove that he can handle the offensive burden on road games. 'Till he proves it, we desperately need Danny.

                          PS: Big Baby is a much better player than Tyler. Actually, I'd say that Glen is better than Redick at the moment.
                          You could make the case Davis and Redick are both more efficient scorers of the basketball than the Granger we've seen over the last 3 years. Davis has played very well since being named a starter last year, and I think people forget how important of a piece he was in several of Boston's runs through the playoffs.

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                          • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            Remind me who is the all star again? the time of Danny as the best player has passed, it's time to let it go.
                            Wasn't he our best player last year? Wasn't he the one that would take over when we needed him on road games? I love Paul George but he cannot do this on road games yet.
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                            • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                              Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                              You could make the case Davis and Redick are both more efficient scorers of the basketball than the Granger we've seen over the last 3 years. Davis has played very well since being named a starter last year, and I think people forget how important of a piece he was in several of Boston's runs through the playoffs.
                              Davis is an excellent player. I'd love him here. And Redick is good too. They are both decent starters / excellent bench players. But Granger is more than that. He is the one that would take over and will us to win in road games. He's the player that we're sorely lacking this year on the road. He's the difference between our offense being #29 and #10.

                              We need Danny.

                              PS: Also, Danny is a much more efficient scorer than Davis. Redick is more efficient in the regular season but Danny is more efficient in the playoffs.
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                              • Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                                Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                                You could make the case Davis and Redick are both more efficient scorers of the basketball than the Granger we've seen over the last 3 years. Davis has played very well since being named a starter last year, and I think people forget how important of a piece he was in several of Boston's runs through the playoffs.
                                People are not forgetting they are just ignoring it.
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