The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

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  • #46
    Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

    Originally posted by PR07 View Post
    I'm not even advocating that Granger is the best player. However, I think in terms of leadership, consistency, scoring, etc. you could make the case for him (*if healthy), just like you could make the case for David West as our best player. Hence, the word arguable. And oh boy, an all-star game? I guess Hibbert made one last year but didn't this year, so his time has passed at the ripe old age of 26. You know how flawed that logic is?
    Not as flawed as saying that because "Danny and West are the leaders and hearth of the team" they are the better players than Paul George.

    I guess is going to take some years for some of you to get used to say that Paul George is the new face of the franchise and the quickest you realize it the better is going to be.
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    • #47
      Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

      Look at the contract scenario, Danny Granger's contract will expire when it is time to re-sign Paul George. I too agree, Paul George is the new face of the franchise. However, there is no reason to trade your second best player. Every Michael needs a Scottie, and the jury is out on Roy Hibbert. Furthermore, no team will trade for Danny Granger without the certainty that his knee is not permanently damaged. Therefore, wait until next season. His value will most likely rise, and you can be certain that he is or he is not the best compliment for the play of Paul George.


      • #48
        Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        Not as flawed as saying that because "Danny and West are the leaders and hearth of the team" they are the better players than Paul George.

        I guess is going to take some years for some of you to get used to say that Paul George is the new face of the franchise and the quickest you realize it the better is going to be.
        Answer my questions, please.


        • #49
          Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

          Vinzla81: what do you lose by retaining Danny Granger through the 2012-2013 season?


          • #50
            Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            I'ts ridiculous to some people because unless you trade Danny straight up for Lebron is ridiculous, you are also forgetting that many here believe that Redick can only shoot 3's so he is garbage and Big Baby can only do some crazy dances so he is also garbage.

            I believe the Pacers are waiting for Young to get healthy, he is going to be the bench backup 3.
            What's more ridiculous and annoying is your sheer hatred for Danny. Paul George may be the best player now but you act like Danny will be worthless when he returns.
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            • #51
              Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
              Not as flawed as saying that because "Danny and West are the leaders and hearth of the team" they are the better players than Paul George.

              I guess is going to take some years for some of you to get used to say that Paul George is the new face of the franchise and the quickest you realize it the better is going to be.
              I'm guessing that since you put that text in quotations, that means somebody actually said it. I would like to see where somebody within the past month said that Granger and West are playing better ball than Paul George. PR07 is trying to say you could argue that he is the best player based probably on the fact that he is a proven scorer, defender, and all around tough guy. Just remember that where Paul George is right now, Danny was averaging more PPG and was busy bringing in a new era of Pacer basketball and showing JO the door. Don't forget that Danny is proven and Paul George is still in the middle of showing just how great he can be. By next year it won't even be an argument about who is better between the two.

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              • #52
                Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                By all means let's take a team with a .605% winning record and make trades that sends away a core piece (one who hasn't even played yet) and bring back at best bench players.

                For those of you advocating we need Redick because he moves without the ball & can shoot the three point shot and you don't really care that his defense is sub par (that's being polite btw) I want to know where you stood on Mike Dunleavy when he was on the team. At least Mike was also a pretty decent rebounder for his position so at least he wasn't just a catch & shoot guy.

                I know some of you (rhymes with Consuela) hated someone they used to call Suckleavy and would ***** and moan constantly about him until he was off of the team. Now you want him back, but shorter with less rebounds? Yes Big Baby is averaging 15 & 7, guess what Troy Murphy avg. 14 & 12 one year for us to but that doesn't mean I want him back on the team either. Neither play a lick of defense and I'm not sure that Davis is much more physical even though he has the tools to be.

                Again why does this possibly improve a club that is winning at a .605% clip more than just adding Danny Granger back to the team?

                You say you want outside shooting and a three point threat? How in God's green earth is Redick more of that than Danny? Not to mention that Danny can only do EVERYTHING else better on the basketball floor.

                Adding Danny for nothing will be the biggest and best move we can make this season. Sure I'd like to be rid of Green's contract as much as any of you would but I would not give up a core player just to be rid of it nor would I get rid of a draft pick just to be rid of it. I guess I'll just be willing to eat the next two years of it or at least year of it when he becomes an expiring before I give up any value just to get rid of it.

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                • #53
                  Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                  I'd like Redick, but not with this contract or for any of our current players not named Green.
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                  • #54
                    Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                    I would love to have Redick. I would trade Plumlee, and a 2, perhaps Green if it could be worked out, but only if we had assurances that we would resign him. I have no interest in trading Granger.


                    • #55
                      Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                      I'm probably the only one who'd do this, but I'd deal West and our 2013 1st for Davis and Redick... And anybody calling Redick a liability on defense clearly hasn't watched the guy play.


                      • #56
                        Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                        Originally posted by PR07 View Post

                        And oh boy, an all-star game? I guess Hibbert made one last year but didn't this year, so his time has passed at the ripe old age of 26. You know how flawed that logic is?

                        It's not flawed logic. It's reality. Just as I've said Granger would never be an Allstar again, and O'Brien will never be a HC again in the NBA. Same applies to Hibbert never being an Allstar again. Best face the realism. Do I like Hibbert never being an Allstar again? NO, but I don't see him ever achieving that status again. With Hibbert having to compete with SF and PF for Allstar status, being selected as a reserve he just doesn't have a chance. True Centers like Hibbert aren't in style anymore, but flashy scoring SF's are as are high scoring PF's who can play Center.


                        • #57
                          Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                          It's so obvious who hasn't watched Orlando play a game this season, except perhaps if they played the Pacers. Reddick is not a poor defender, and he certainly isn't just a shooter. Some of you guys are worst than ESPN with your fabricated story lines about players you have little to no familiarity of.


                          • #58
                            Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                            So Redick is Dunleavy and Big Baby is Troy Murphy, man some people really need to watch other teams ASAP.

                            I remember getting s*** for suggesting to bring Diaw here, I also remember a poster that rhymes with "tech" telling me that he sucked and was bad on D, I guess I was wrong because the best coach in the NBA is not only playing him but starting him in one of the best teams in the league, yep that horrible player...
                            Last edited by vnzla81; 01-26-2013, 05:53 PM.
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                            • #59
                              Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                              Dude averages as many assists as our starting point guard in similar minutes, shoots 45%+ from the field, ~40% from deep, but he's just a catch and shoot player.


                              • #60
                                Re: RicBucher, Pacers interested in JJ Redick.

                                Originally posted by Dece View Post
                                Dude averages as many assists as our starting point guard in similar minutes, shoots 45%+ from the field, ~40% from deep, but he's just a catch and shoot player.
                                Yeah, JJ's pretty great at creating in pick and roll situations. Like I mentioned before I definitely think he's the kind of guy that puts us in championship contention, but let's face it, we can't get him.