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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

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    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: B. Salvatore, K. Cutler, G. Zielinsk

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Houston Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / CSN Houston
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / KBME 790 AM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you

    Home: 15-3
    East: 14-9
    Away: 7-12
    East: 14-4
    Jan 21
    Jan 23
    Jan 26
    Jan 28

    Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
    Lance Stephenson - sore right foot (day-to-day)

    Royce White - suspended (out)

    Rob Mahoney: James Harden walks the traveling line

    Watch any Rockets game and you’re likely to experience a mental trigger — that
    immediate notion that something you’ve just seen is ever so slightly amiss. There is
    no evidence so flagrant as to get up in arms about and no whistle to validate your
    instant suspicion. But James Harden weaved from just inside the three-point line all
    the way to the rim with a single dribble, finished and drew contact in the process.
    His syncopated strides bear a completely different rhythm from the quick one-two
    step of a standard drive, to the point that they almost seem illegal.

    That’s largely because Harden’s drives almost are illegal. No NBA player is more
    slippery off the bounce, in part because no player is more willing to walk the fine
    line of the league’s traveling rules. The widespread confusion over the letter and
    enforcement of the traveling violation has locked most of the league into a very
    conventional two-count driving style, though some of the more daring players are
    prone to Eurosteps or jump stops on occasion. Harden’s cadence is a world apart,
    largely because of his cunning manipulation of the “gather” provision of the rule.

    To clear up any confusion, the 2012-13 NBA Rulebook states as follows in Rule 9,
    Section XIII, Item (b):
    A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon
    completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop,
    passing or shooting the ball. A player who receives the ball while
    he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before
    his second step.

    The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor
    after gaining control of the ball.

    (Emphasis mine.)

    The rules note that a player’s first step occurs after gaining control of the ball. In
    other words, a player is allowed to collect the ball in his hands as he takes one step,
    and follow up with two more full strides. Harden’s incredible driving and finishing
    ability comes as a result of his understanding of what’s allowed in this regard, as
    well as his mastery of timing and spacing those three steps. Observe:

    All of the above are strange plays that may invoke a momentary doubt, but are
    nonetheless legal according to the contemporary writing and interpretation of the
    traveling rule. Look at the first play in the clip above. At the 0:07 mark, Harden
    gathers his dribble facing two defenders at what is essentially the top of the key.
    His foot is on the ground, and yet because he is only now formally collecting his
    dribble, he’s privileged to two additional steps to cut through the heart of the
    Bucks’ defense. That’s where Ekpe Udoh’s positioning creates a bit of a problem;
    the Milwaukee big man is smart to expect Harden to go to his left, but
    overcompensates for that possibility and allows Harden to split the defense. From
    there, Harden simply takes two huge strides — one to get him inside the free-
    throw line and another that brings him deep into the lane for a double-clutch finish.

    By delaying his gather until...CONTINUE READING AT THE POINT FORWARD

    Houston Rockets vs. Indiana Pacers -- game preview

    The Rockets are still looking to snap a their losing streak, which now stands at five
    games. Tonight they take on the Pacers in Indianapolis.

    Remember when the Rockets were 21-14? Seems like an eternity ago. Well, since
    then the good guys have given up a safety and a field goal. The problem is that you
    can't win by one in terms of overall wins. Well you can, but you can't. Next analogy.

    We've got to ask ourselves: were those 10 wins in 12 games because the team was
    playing poor competition (East teams mostly) or was it that the Rockets were
    peaking and shooting out of their minds?

    I'd say a little of both, but that's a cop out. I guess I'm worried that it's the first one,
    but if the second fact is true that's also bad news. The Rockets have hung around in
    four of the five losses. They have just been coming out of the gates slowly for both
    halves. It seems they play well for about five or six minutes in the first quarter, then
    start sliding, especially when McHale goes to the bench. Then out of the half when
    the starters have to set the tone, turnovers or missed open shots are dooming the
    good guys.

    So tonight's opponent is the Indiana Pacers, a team that was at one point 10-11 and
    looking lost without Danny Granger. Then they got an admittedly easy stretch of
    schedule and during this 14-6 stretch they've beaten Memphis, Miami, and the

    The Pacers have the number one defense and are the best rebounding team in the
    league. They are incredibly long and will force contested jump shots and will alter
    shots around the rim.

    Oh, and the Pacers are 15-3 at home.

    If this game doesn't frighten you, you're already dead.

    Point Guard: Jeremy Lin vs. George Hill
    Yes, today George Hill is better than Jeremy Lin. I understand that Lin played well
    in the fourth quarter against Dallas. But, Dallas played Collison and Mike James at
    the point during that time. Neither one is considered a great defender. Hill is
    absolutely a good defender and will contribute plenty on offense. He deserves the
    advantage. He's also long and tall.
    Advantage: Pacers

    Shooting Guard: James Harden vs. Lance Stephenson
    And thus begins and ends the Rockets advantage tonight. On the one hand, it's
    scary to think that four out of five starters and their bench are better than the
    Rockets' versions. On the other hand it's exciting to see how the Rockets will play
    when they are expected to lose. Tonight is a ripe time for players to outplay their
    counterparts and help swing the game.
    Advantage: Rockets

    Small Forward: Chandler Parsons vs. Paul George
    Speaking of playing better...CONTINUE READING AT THE DREAM SHAKE

    Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows

    Jonathan Feigen @Jonathan_Feigen
    The Dream Shake @DreamShakeSBN @clutchfans
    RedNinetyFour @RedNinetyFour
    Last edited by avoidingtheclowns; 01-18-2013, 06:44 PM.
    This is the darkest timeline.

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    Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

    Go Pacers. =)


    • #3
      Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

      Much as I (and anyone who reads it) would love for Rob Mahoney to write for 8p9s, that's actually SI's Point Forward. (We asked Rob to write for us, but since he had actual talent, somebody was willing to give him actual money, as opposed to just sending him good thoughts everyday.)


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        Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

        I hope we don't get Delfinoed.


        • #5
          Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

          George vs Harden ... I've been looking forward to this game for a while


          • #6
            Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

            Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
            I hope we don't get Delfinoed.
            Parsons is the one we should worry about they guy can shoot like crazy.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


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              Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

              Parsons is damn good. Better than I thought he'd be. Lin, too.


              • #8
                Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

                What are the odds that PG guards Harden tonight? I think he can, but I worry he will have three fouls in the 1st quarter. Harden gets fouled at an astronomical rate with his semi-signature scoop layup. Hopefully, Lance, Hill and George have watched a lot of tape on it.
                "There is a time to play and a time to win. It is what you do during winning time that differentiates the average players from stars."

                ~Ahmad Rashad~


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                  Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

                  @1070Bruno: Haven't seen Gerald Green warming up yet, so looks like the stomach bug got him. Look for 3-guard rotation tonight.

                  I'm not mad about that either.
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


                  • #10
                    Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

                    Mr. Boyle has also tweeted that Gerald Green will miss the game.


                    Employee #25 looks like he's unavailable. Food poisoning? Told him to stay out of my kitchen.
                    Take me out to the black, tell 'em I ain't coming back. Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.


                    • #11
                      Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

                      Damn Roy
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


                      • #12
                        Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

                        Our 3 is falling tonight
                        Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                        Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
                        Empty vessels make the most noise.


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                          Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

                          Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                          Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


                          Originally posted by IrishPacer
                          Empty vessels make the most noise.


                          • #14
                            Re: 1/18/2013 Game Thread #41: Pacers Vs. Rockets

                            Ha! Houston player runs right over Bob Kravitz and knocks him over.

                            Croshere: KRAVITZ GOES DOWN! And Nobody helped him up, I notice.
                            This space for rent.


                            • #15
                              Paul is on FIRE!