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Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

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  • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Roy hasn't really gotten much better than where he was in November. It's just that December Paul George was so good that December Roy Hibbert got a little more slack both from us and opposing defenses. Roy's book is pretty much written, great rim protector, average rebounder, really awkward offensive player.

    So I guess it's up to all of you what you think about his contract.

    OVERPAID for what' he's producing.

    I've said it b4 and I'll say it again, the worse thing that happened to Hibbert was making the Allstar team. He'll never ever make it again. His agent used it to the fullest to get Hibbert a max contract. W/o having been selected to the Allstar team, Hibbert would have gotten Jordan and McGee type money. That's all he's worth. His play would have to really elevate offensively for Hibbert to earn his max contract. I don't see it happening with his being mentally weak as he's Mr. Fragilability. One can only hope that next year his game improves to where he earns his max contract, and his contract isn't of an albatross nature for the Pacers for the future.

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    • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

      Thank you guys. This gives me a chance to ring my favorite bell yet again. Why the **** don't the 2nd unit run plays??? Hans spends his time on offense as the point forward at the 3 point line as an outlet. He sets screen after screen for DJ to dribble around. Nobody else tries anything to get open. Young stands in the corner like a child waiting for Santa and Green wanders around in a fog looking for a 3 point shot from anywhere. Ian is usually surrounded in the paint and usually can't catch the pass that comes to him. Does this unit not practice with the other unit? Don't they know how to run the same plays? Why won't they? It's like seeing 5 total strangers come on the floor and try to get to know each other.

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      • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

        Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
        I think if Danny were playing, Roy had have been shut down to get his wrist cleared up awhile ago. Either that, or Roy is trying to play through it. My gut is telling me the wrist is worse than Roy is letting on.
        I am hoping that that feeling that you have in your gut is the indigestion from the late night take out that you had the other day...and not that the injury is a persistent wrist injury that won't heal anytime soon.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

          Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
          Thank you guys. This gives me a chance to ring my favorite bell yet again. Why the **** don't the 2nd unit run plays??? Hans spends his time on offense as the point forward at the 3 point line as an outlet. He sets screen after screen for DJ to dribble around. Nobody else tries anything to get open. Young stands in the corner like a child waiting for Santa and Green wanders around in a fog looking for a 3 point shot from anywhere. Ian is usually surrounded in the paint and usually can't catch the pass that comes to him. Does this unit not practice with the other unit? Don't they know how to run the same plays? Why won't they? It's like seeing 5 total strangers come on the floor and try to get to know each other.
          Good point...especially the last part. I think that Lance and the Starters have built enough chemistry and enough talent to figure things out....but something just doesn't seem to "click" with the 2nd unit.
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          • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

            Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
            Thank you guys. This gives me a chance to ring my favorite bell yet again. Why the **** don't the 2nd unit run plays??? Hans spends his time on offense as the point forward at the 3 point line as an outlet. He sets screen after screen for DJ to dribble around. Nobody else tries anything to get open. Young stands in the corner like a child waiting for Santa and Green wanders around in a fog looking for a 3 point shot from anywhere. Ian is usually surrounded in the paint and usually can't catch the pass that comes to him. Does this unit not practice with the other unit? Don't they know how to run the same plays? Why won't they? It's like seeing 5 total strangers come on the floor and try to get to know each other.
            Hans hasn't played within an offense for the entire time he's been here, and I didn't watch UNC much, but I've got a feeling he was the offense there. Even when he sets screens he slips, so DJ gets double teamed. Green is not a "score within the offense guy." Young is not an offensive player. Ian can be useful, especially in the PnP, but two guys can't run a five man offense. There's just no getting these guys into sets.

            one or two lost players is fine/fixable..but 3/4..with a point guard who isn't score first...that's gonna be a problem.

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            • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

              Green is absolutely a score within the offense guy. That's why he's struggling so much, because the offense isn't being run, and he hasn't even been given the correct role. Anytime you give Green the ball and tell him to play outside of the offense is when you see massive mistakes.

              Green is good at running of screens for spot up jumps, getting in position for postups with nice fadeaway jumpers, and cuts for nice finishes at the rim. Ask him to create and his head will explode.

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              • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                Lets all take a step back can we please on Roy Hibbert.

                This is what Roys 5th season? This is a guy that dealt with Obrien for 3.5 years of his career and many know the negative impact that created with Danny. He went from a tough nosed player to primarily a 3 pt shooter and digressed from there. he is only now developing more into vintage Artest and not Peja.

                Many of us i think felt Obrien along with poor pg play and a lack of a structured offense all had to do with Roys lack of develpment to some degree.

                now he has the max contract and some will say that is the problem. i think primarily in perception fans expect more from a MAX player. imo Hibbert is worth 10M with the duration of his worth around 13 M prob by time it expires. he is not rediculously overpaid but the term Max implies it.

                i think intelligent pacer fans knew this was a possibility. Hibbert did not dominate the Magic last year with no D12.

                Hibbert is PAID for his D. I believe we will appreciate Hibbert more in the PLAYOFFS because thats when it becomes a half-court game. Hibbs expectations based on the playoffs and a max contract and all the swooning he rcd and i think he just hasnt found his niche. He will perform well in the PLAYOFFS. a big man like him will pay dividends defensively.

                i wonder if his physical regime has been changed and the extra weight is affecting his overall game. i think Hibbert will be fine but one issue i would really like the pacers to resolve is getting a BIGMAN coach. i really believe it would be worth the investment.

                for example, Hibbert wanted to shoot before a gaem he said and Vogel was the only guy he could get to work with him. Are the pacers that cheap they cannot get a big man coach or is there no one to be found.

                Get our max center a big man coach that can help him develop his game and serve as a mentor throughout the season. There has to be someone available that would be an ideal fit.

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                • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                  Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                  Lets all take a step back can we please on Roy Hibbert.

                  This is what Roys 5th season? This is a guy that dealt with Obrien for 3.5 years of his career and many know the negative impact that created with Danny. He went from a tough nosed player to primarily a 3 pt shooter and digressed from there. he is only now developing more into vintage Artest and not Peja.

                  Many of us i think felt Obrien along with poor pg play and a lack of a structured offense all had to do with Roys lack of develpment to some degree.

                  now he has the max contract and some will say that is the problem. i think primarily in perception fans expect more from a MAX player. imo Hibbert is worth 10M with the duration of his worth around 13 M prob by time it expires. he is not rediculously overpaid but the term Max implies it.

                  i think intelligent pacer fans knew this was a possibility. Hibbert did not dominate the Magic last year with no D12.

                  Hibbert is PAID for his D. I believe we will appreciate Hibbert more in the PLAYOFFS because thats when it becomes a half-court game. Hibbs expectations based on the playoffs and a max contract and all the swooning he rcd and i think he just hasnt found his niche. He will perform well in the PLAYOFFS. a big man like him will pay dividends defensively.

                  i wonder if his physical regime has been changed and the extra weight is affecting his overall game. i think Hibbert will be fine but one issue i would really like the pacers to resolve is getting a BIGMAN coach. i really believe it would be worth the investment.

                  for example, Hibbert wanted to shoot before a gaem he said and Vogel was the only guy he could get to work with him. Are the pacers that cheap they cannot get a big man coach or is there no one to be found.

                  Get our max center a big man coach that can help him develop his game and serve as a mentor throughout the season. There has to be someone available that would be an ideal fit.
                  before houston got him, i wanted the pacers to get kevin mchale to work with roy. mchale was one of the all-time greats working in the post. unfortunately, that didn't happen.

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                  • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                    I don't think people expect from Hibbert things other max contracts do. Nobody expected him to be a 20 ppg player. But is it too much too ask for at least the same ppg as last season or a slight better rebounding ( although that admittedly doesn't hurt the team a lot)?
                    The money he gets is too much for what he offers. Thanks to Portland we were forced to offer that amount cause we all know how difficult is to find good players in that position.
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                    • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                      Originally posted by dohman View Post
                      Trust me I want to see Granger along side of George just as much as anyone else. This team is showing they can compete and be a good team without him, if we are going to have a money problem in the future with signing George and some of the others because of the cap then why not get younger in the process. I fear we are going to lose lance right at the time he finally REALLY breaks out. He will never be the player granger is but we are going to have a HUGE gaping hole at PF here very soon. Why not use our chips and get the best player possible to play along side George for the next 5 years.
                      Because we aim to go deep in the playoffs now. To go deep in the playoffs we need an actual offense. Granger is the guy that gives us that kind of offense.

                      If the plan is to be good in 2-3 years (when PG is in his prime) then I can see your reasoning. But by then everyone will be saying that we are the new Atlanta Hawks and that we should blow it up.
                      Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                      Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

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                      • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        Because we aim to go deep in the playoffs now. To go deep in the playoffs we need an actual offense. Granger is the guy that gives us that kind of offense.

                        If the plan is to be good in 2-3 years (when PG is in his prime) then I can see your reasoning. But by then everyone will be saying that we are the new Atlanta Hawks and that we should blow it up.
                        Call me crazy, but if Granger returns to form (or close to it) by playoffs and PG is playing at the level he is now...I think we can make a very very deep run in the playoffs. And by "very deep run" I mean possibly win it.

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                        • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                          Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                          Lets all take a step back can we please on Roy Hibbert.

                          This is what Roys 5th season? This is a guy that dealt with Obrien for 3.5 years of his career and many know the negative impact that created with Danny. He went from a tough nosed player to primarily a 3 pt shooter and digressed from there. he is only now developing more into vintage Artest and not Peja.

                          Many of us i think felt Obrien along with poor pg play and a lack of a structured offense all had to do with Roys lack of develpment to some degree.

                          now he has the max contract and some will say that is the problem. i think primarily in perception fans expect more from a MAX player. imo Hibbert is worth 10M with the duration of his worth around 13 M prob by time it expires. he is not rediculously overpaid but the term Max implies it.

                          i think intelligent pacer fans knew this was a possibility. Hibbert did not dominate the Magic last year with no D12.

                          Hibbert is PAID for his D. I believe we will appreciate Hibbert more in the PLAYOFFS because thats when it becomes a half-court game. Hibbs expectations based on the playoffs and a max contract and all the swooning he rcd and i think he just hasnt found his niche. He will perform well in the PLAYOFFS. a big man like him will pay dividends defensively.

                          i wonder if his physical regime has been changed and the extra weight is affecting his overall game. i think Hibbert will be fine but one issue i would really like the pacers to resolve is getting a BIGMAN coach. i really believe it would be worth the investment.

                          for example, Hibbert wanted to shoot before a gaem he said and Vogel was the only guy he could get to work with him. Are the pacers that cheap they cannot get a big man coach or is there no one to be found.

                          Get our max center a big man coach that can help him develop his game and serve as a mentor throughout the season. There has to be someone available that would be an ideal fit.
                          Roy Hibbert is a better player than a D only stiff. He has a better feel for the game, touch, free throw shooting and even ability to pass than he has displayed so far this season. Roy got called out by a 2 year player, Larry Sanders, for not being able to handle any contact in the post. Next game vs the Bucks Hibby played the same. Were is the fire when he would go up against Bynum and Lopez or anyone who challenged him? I'm not asking for 20 and 10, I'm asking for Roy to do the things he's good at and quit hesitating and falling on the ground.

                          O'Brien has nothing to do with anything at this point. That excuse is long gone.

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                          • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                            Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                            Call me crazy, but if Granger returns to form (or close to it) by playoffs and PG is playing at the level he is now...I think we can make a very very deep run in the playoffs. And by "very deep run" I mean possibly win it.
                            I agree there is a chance. But that would also require our top 7 guys (starters plus Lance, Mahinmi) to play almost all of our minutes, because it's not like the other members of our bench can be counted on.I also think that Hibbert will need to play a more efficient game or give half his shots to the other four starters.

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                            • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                              But he WAS a great post player. We know he's capable of it. I just can't figure out where it went.
                              Maybe it was stolen by DeAndre Jordan.
                              Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                              Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

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                              • Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                                Originally posted by mattie View Post
                                Green is absolutely a score within the offense guy. That's why he's struggling so much, because the offense isn't being run, and he hasn't even been given the correct role. Anytime you give Green the ball and tell him to play outside of the offense is when you see massive mistakes.

                                Green is good at running of screens for spot up jumps, getting in position for postups with nice fadeaway jumpers, and cuts for nice finishes at the rim. Ask him to create and his head will explode.
                                Amen! If I could thank this 1.000.000 times, I'd do it.
                                Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                                Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                                Panopticon

                                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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