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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

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  • #31
    Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

    If you told me that, in order to win this game, we would need a clutch three and four huge free throws from DJ Augustine to finish out, I would have laughed and then cried. But dammit, dude got it done, and good on him.

    The whole game was such a fierce battle with both teams nearly killing each other for loose balls and rebounds. Very playoff-like. For the first half of the fourth quarter, I think the only points scored were Ben's two threes. Great defense and very tense down the stretch. Great win to end the year on.

    I'm still frightfully worried about what is becoming a groin epidemic in Indy. Absolutely terrifying.
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    • #32
      Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

      Pacers have the best last 10 record in the East at the moment.
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      • #33
        Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

        Just something I've been thinking about, and I know it won't happen, but why not play DJ at the point, move Hill to the 2, and send Lance to the sixth man role? I know Vogel doesn't see Lance as a point guard, but it would help with our bench scoring.
        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

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        • #34
          Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

          DJ played well but Paul George played us back into this game.

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          • #35
            Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

            Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
            Just something I've been thinking about, and I know it won't happen, but why not play DJ at the point, move Hill to the 2, and send Lance to the sixth man role? I know Vogel doesn't see Lance as a point guard, but it would help with our bench scoring.
            It would also decrease the defensive intensity of our starting unit. No thank you.

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            • #36
              Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

              I also saw the Grizzlies broadcast and at one point they showed a graphic where Z-bo is averaging. 116 ppg. Why isn't this guy a perennial all-star?

              Anyway, I'm glad that DJ played better today. It improves his value around the league and we are gonna need him to be a salary throw-in at worst, so I'm glad he may now be viable. First time I've seen him play for us and he wasn't pouting the whole time. When he moves back to the bench I'm sure he will be back to his old ways.

              There is also no doubt in my mind that his handles are worse than PGs. He had a decent game where some 3s and some freethrows went down, but paint me unimpressed. His play mirrored that of our teams play today. Yeah, it can win you a game, but it isn't sustainable.

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              • #37
                Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                It would also decrease the defensive intensity of our starting unit. No thank you.
                Yeah, I remember a point in the game when he got mowed over in the p-n-r, the play where tony Allen Gerald Green'd himself into deserving a Fathead.

                Then he took his 6' and 13 inch vert into the land of trees and got his mess swatted... Still can't stand watching him and Sam Young on the court

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                • #38
                  Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                  Originally posted by greyhound80 View Post
                  Actually Boyle said his thigh bruise was very stiff and sore during warm ups and he just couldn't go.

                  I know we won at LA and Chi. but this has to be the best win of the season, right?

                  I have been harder on DJ than anyone by far. He did a hell of a job today. Didn't know he would be starting until right before game time. Maybe that was the key. Just go out and play like you're capable. If he's been pouting and pressing because he isn't starting he'd better get over that. He isn't good enough to start in this league but he could be an important player on a good team.
                  I don't know what to say about Roy that hasn't been said. Just sad.
                  I've always wondered if DJ wouldn't look like a completely different player if he had more time with our starters... His offense is improved with far less attention being drawn to him for scoring and his passing prowess is better received with better scorers around him... On D Hibbert cleans up a lot more of his messes...

                  I'm not saying start him... But I am saying I think you squeeze more juice from that particular orange by starting him... Moreso than anyone else on our team...

                  And does anyone else not find it just the slightest bit refreshing that for once we demoted a PG and it didn't turn into a giant drawn out drama?

                  And Roy...

                  I don't understand why he doesn't just focus on D and rebounding for a while... And get his points within the flow of the game... We shouldn't be forcing ANY offense through him until his wrist heals... Just have him take open looks and garbage point opportunities until then...


                  And I haven't been able to watch the game yet so someone please tell me that it was PG that primarily guarded Gay and held him to 3/17 shooting... To go along with him getting 21 pts, 6 reb, and 5 ast... PG is becoming what I had always hoped... A "stat sheet stuffer" and real impact player on both sides of the ball...
                  Last edited by J7F; 01-01-2013, 02:38 AM.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                    I'm currently reading the Grizzlies' game thread (http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/in...c=14768&st=100) and they make some valid points about their team.

                    Lionel Hollins elected to give minutes to Darrel Arthur due to Gasol's foul trouble. Darrel had 6 points, 4 rebounds and 2 blocks but also had 4 turnovers and according to them was not good at D either.

                    And they make this legit question. Why didn't they use Haddadi? Do you feel that the game would turn in their favor if they played another 7 footer?
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                    • #40
                      Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                      I'm currently reading the Grizzlies' game thread (http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/in...c=14768&st=100) and they make some valid points about their team.

                      Lionel Hollins elected to give minutes to Darrel Arthur due to Gasol's foul trouble. Darrel had 6 points, 4 rebounds and 2 blocks but also had 4 turnovers and according to them was not good at D either.

                      And they make this legit question. Why didn't they use Haddadi? Do you feel that the game would turn in their favor if they played another 7 footer?
                      I could be wrong, but I never thought Haddidi was that good. Even if they threw Haddidi at us, I'm pretty sure Mahinmi would be able to outplay Haddidi. Yes, it would be nice for them to have a bigman to throw at us, but we also have our own to throw at them.

                      On a side note, I noticed some comments about Augustin pouting. I was under the impression that he took it professionally and was working hard during practices?
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                      • #41
                        Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        I'm currently reading the Grizzlies' game thread (http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/in...c=14768&st=100) and they make some valid points about their team.

                        Lionel Hollins elected to give minutes to Darrel Arthur due to Gasol's foul trouble. Darrel had 6 points, 4 rebounds and 2 blocks but also had 4 turnovers and according to them was not good at D either.

                        And they make this legit question. Why didn't they use Haddadi? Do you feel that the game would turn in their favor if they played another 7 footer?
                        Lol wow some salty Memphis fans.....after reading that thread you'd think the sky was falling on this Memphis team.
                        Great win by the Pacers, really loved PG's effort defensively on Gay and 4 of 10 from 3pt. land.....man it is semi-frustrating seeing how confidently he shoots from behind the arc at home and then how
                        shell-shocked he looks from distance away. So odd can't think of any other Pacer's who have had this problem, gotta assume he discontinues this trend at some point but it really is odd that when I watch
                        him shoot at home I am shocked when he misses and when I watch him shoot 3s on the road I'm shocked when it goes in lol.
                        Huge game for DJ really hope this performance sparks him, I was one of the people that really loved this signing and thought he would be a better fit than DC was and man has he made me look bad for
                        that thought. I hope he does salvage his season in the latter half though and at least be a decent back up point.
                        Liked seeing the boost from B. Hans I was starting to think (and am still on the fence) he didn't belong on this roster and he may need to be cut, and we find another 3rd point, but he made some
                        plays tonight. I root for the guy watched a lot of his ND games and loved watching him play in college but the recent stretch for him seemed like his ball handling just wasn't good enough to keep him in
                        NBA, hope I'm wrong but just may be the facts. But again great win and please Roy get the offense together it is crazy how amazingly accurate his hook shot was last year and how wildly inaccurate it is this
                        year, I don't want to be one of those people that blames his big contract etc. for it but man I'm running out of answers on that issue, I mean advance stats show he shot the hook shot at a clip above 50%
                        last season and haven't looked in a while but last time I looked it was in the low 30s just really confusing.
                        Last edited by VideoVandal; 01-01-2013, 04:33 AM.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                          If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

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                          • #43
                            Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                            Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
                            Lol wow some salty Memphis fans.....after reading that thread you'd think the sky was falling on this Memphis team.
                            Well, in fairness, they'd say the same about us after a loss.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                              Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                              I could be wrong, but I never thought Haddidi was that good. Even if they threw Haddidi at us, I'm pretty sure Mahinmi would be able to outplay Haddidi. Yes, it would be nice for them to have a bigman to throw at us, but we also have our own to throw at them.
                              I'm not saying that Haddadi is that good. But he is a 7 footer that can play good defense. Since Arthur was killing them on offense, Haddadi could have been the better option for a team equally big as theirs.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers/Grizzlies Postgame Thread 12/31/12

                                Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                                Well, in fairness, they'd say the same about us after a loss.
                                It's exactly the same, actually. I tend to read the game thread's of our opposing teams as well in game days and it's always the same. When those boards are team specific (like ours or that Memphis one), you will always see "the sky is falling" comments. You will always see posters undervaluing their players. For example, in Clutch Fans (Rockets board) they believe that Patrick Patterson's trade value is so low that they cannot even take a 2nd round pick for him.

                                That's the reason why I take some comments here with a grain of salt
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                                Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

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