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  • #46
    Re: Royce White refuses D league

    Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
    Wow, that statement he issued is scary. It sounds like a threat. This part in particular.

    "In hindsight of the recent tragedies in this country, that had mental illness variables, you would think it would encourage people to act more proactively in that arena. You would think that decision makers who are not well informed about mental health, would take the consultation and recommendation of those who are. You would think we would start to do everything possible to not let the tragic consequences befall us first, before we ask the logical question, “why?”, “who knew?” “how could we have helped?."

    I don't know much about this guy, but there are like 6 billion people in this world that wish they had an opportunity to play in the NBA. He probably just shut the door on his personal opportunity.

    and this statement, what does this even mean?

    "I have chosen to not play, because the doctors and I believe it to be unsafe for unqualified Rockets front office personnel to make medical decisions, as they are not mental health professionals.”
    The last statement is a derivative argument based on a very common argument made in the legal profession. For example, its an argument on appeal from a judge when they deny somebody something like malpractice damages - they'll argue that the judge isn't qualified to make these "medical judgments" because they aren't medical professionals and instead are just enforcers of law. However, this argument OFTEN fails because its generally a finding based off of actual medical diagnosis from qualified medical personnel. In this case, I think its safe to assume the Rockets have qualified personnel to determine whether White is capable of making said decisions. (Sorry I'll get off my soapbox now)
    Last edited by BornReady; 01-01-2013, 04:12 AM.
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    • #47
      Re: Royce White refuses D league

      Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
      1. It's funny that when his mental health issues were first discussed on this board there was a lot of support from commenters. Now that he starts acting like someone with mental health issues, everyone turns on him. People with mental problems act in ways that are frustrating and hard to understand for people who don't have them. That's why it's a problem.
      He's acting like someone who doesn't want to be held accountable for his problems, which is mostly separate from the mental disorder. There's a stark difference between someone with a problem who's actively trying to get better and a person who welcomes his hell and is content to drag the rest of the world down with him. I used to see it all the time. A person who recognizes their disorder, but will sit in front of you and rant for an hour about how their meds have failed them, their doctors have failed them, their family, their employers . . . and you know, sometimes that's all true. Things fail, and people often suck. But their emphasis is always on who or what failed them, and not on how they choose to react to it. They never get better until they stop thinking in that way. (Not to say though that making that change is a guarantee of getting better . . . there are those who fight hard and still lose.)


      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
      He doesn't seem to be acting like a person with a mental illness to me. Instead he is acting like a person who believes he is a victim, and deserves special treatment. Not like someone who has a problem, and is trying to get over it or keep it under control but failing to do so. If he seemed like he wanted to get over his problems instead of just using them as an excuse people would be much more willing to empathize with him. Because he seems to be more interested in using it as an excuse he isn't going to find much sympathy from people, even if he has a legitimate disorder.
      That's a pretty good way to put it. To call his behavior "acting like a person with mental illness" is an insult to a lot of people with mental illness. There are additional problems here.

      At this point I think he should leave the NBA and find a situation where his mental progress doesn't play out in the national media. Come back when he's ready. I imagine even mentally stable people struggle the with media attention than an NBA player can get. I don't see the point in trying to treat his disorder in an environment like that. Someone close to him needs to just step in, take him away from everything, and make sure he stays safe while he seeks treatment.
      Last edited by SoupIsGood; 01-01-2013, 07:47 AM.
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      • #48
        Re: Royce White refuses D league

        Personally, I'd love to be diagnosed with a mental health issue so I'd have a catchall excuse for everything I've ever said or done that was considered wrong. It must be nice to be able to absolve yourself of any blame for virtually every situation.

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        • #49
          Re: Royce White refuses D league

          Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
          Personally, I'd love to be diagnosed with a mental health issue
          No you wouldn't.

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          • #50
            Re: Royce White refuses D league

            That's a pretty good way to put it. To call his behavior "acting like a person with mental illness" is an insult to a lot of people with mental illness. There are additional problems here.
            What's the additional problem?

            I find it hard to believe that it's because he has a bad attitude. You don't throw about millions of dollars, and the chance for tens of millions because you have a bad attitude.

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            • #51
              Re: Royce White refuses D league

              Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
              What's the additional problem?

              I find it hard to believe that it's because he has a bad attitude. You don't throw about millions of dollars, and the chance for tens of millions because you have a bad attitude.
              It has already been explained to you. He's not taking responsibility for his actions/problems. He even went so far as to actually say these words: In hindsight of the recent tragedies in this country, that had mental illness variables, you would think it would encourage people to act more proactively in that arena. To me that's the very definition of having deluded yourself so badly into thinking that your problems are always the fault of some external force. "You would think," he says, because it's always someone else that has failed him. In the end he needs to focus on what he can control. He can't control how proactive the national culture is when it comes to addressing mental health. He can't control how the Rockets behave. He's got external-itis.

              You seem to think that such behavior goes right along with being mentally ill, but IMO that isn't quite right. What's "hard to understand" about mental illness is how for White, stepping onto a plane can feel to him like he's stepping into a warzone, and how no amount of "just do it" or "suck it up" can make planes not feel like absolute hell for him. (Just using the plane thing as an example - I get that his thing is larger than that.) It's the triggers and the mental dysfunction that's really hard to grasp for those that have not dealt with it. Simple evasion of responsibility and accountability is not hard to grasp - you see this every day, from all kinds of people. That actually is very mundane, and very old.

              As for throwing away millions - people have thrown away far more than that in the name of not accepting responsibility. I don't know why it'd be any different for White. And even then, I'm not sure whether I'd say he's throwing it away because of this. Even in a best-case scenario for White in terms of his health, maybe life in the NBA just isn't to his temperament. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Perhaps it's just a bad fit for him.
              Last edited by SoupIsGood; 01-01-2013, 11:09 AM.
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              • #52
                Re: Royce White refuses D league

                Originally posted by SoupIsGood View Post
                It has already been explained to you. He's not taking responsibility for his actions/problems. He even went so far as to actually say these words: In hindsight of the recent tragedies in this country, that had mental illness variables, you would think it would encourage people to act more proactively in that arena. To me that's the very definition of having deluded yourself so badly into thinking that your problems are always the fault of some external force. "You would think," he says, because it's always someone else that has failed him. In the end he needs to focus on what he can control. He can't control how proactive the national culture is when it comes to addressing mental health. He can't control how the Rockets behave. He's got external-itis.

                You seem to think that such behavior goes right along with being mentally ill, but IMO that isn't quite right. What's "hard to understand" about mental illness is how for White, stepping onto a plane can feel to him like he's stepping into a warzone, and how no amount of "just do it" or "suck it up" can make planes not feel like absolute hell for him. (Just using the plane thing as an example - I get that his thing is larger than that.) It's the triggers and the mental dysfunction that's really hard to grasp for those that have not dealt with it. Simple evasion of responsibility and accountability is not hard to grasp - you see this every day, from all kinds of people. That actually is very mundane, and very old.

                As for throwing away millions - people have thrown away far more than that in the name of not accepting responsibility. I don't know why it'd be any different for White. And even then, I'm not sure whether I'd say he's throwing it away because of this. Even in a best-case scenario for White in terms of his health, maybe life in the NBA just isn't to his temperament. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Perhaps it's just a bad fit for him.
                He should not be commenting himself because he doesn't seem to gauge just how out of touch he is.
                The Rockets are not acting as if they are unwilling to work with him but his attitude seems to be they have to meet his needs whether reasonable or not. His argument is that the Rockets are not enlightened as an organization friendly to the mentally ill. First of all, his problems may arguably not fall into the category of mental illness but something less severe. I am assuming the law protects mentally ill in the workplace but does not specify that the employer may not require airplane travel. For example, he could easily hold a job that requires no travel at all. I agree that the Rockets and their attorneys and medical staff are probably well acquainted with all the issues surrounding this case.

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                • #53
                  Re: Royce White refuses D league

                  Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                  What's the additional problem?

                  I find it hard to believe that it's because he has a bad attitude. You don't throw about millions of dollars, and the chance for tens of millions because you have a bad attitude.
                  I wonder if it could be a case of this:

                  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/
                  This space for rent.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Royce White refuses D league

                    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                    I wonder if it could be a case of this:

                    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/
                    The sympathy for this guy is off the chart.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Royce White refuses D league

                      Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
                      The sympathy for this guy is off the chart.
                      You think me calling somebody a narcissist is an expression of sympathy? Do I need to start using green?
                      This space for rent.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Royce White refuses D league

                        It looks like the Rockets are taking a tougher stance. I assume the suspension would come without pay.


                        http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...sion_For_White

                        The Houston Rockets have yet to take action in regards to Royce White not reporting to their D-League affiliate.
                        The Rockets are considering a suspension for White.
                        White worked out last week with basketball staff intern Derrick Alston.
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                        Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Royce White refuses D league

                          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                          You think me calling somebody a narcissist is an expression of sympathy? Do I need to start using green?
                          You need to be able to recognize tongue-in-cheek. I actually thought you nailed it.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Royce White refuses D league

                            I just get more confused each time RW puts out a statement. I thought the bus for any game that could be driven to without missing meetings and shoot around had solved the problem. Then the bus ride to the D league for TC became a problem, then the regular practice became a problem. And now it seems RW has decided with his doctors that he cannot play basketball and remain safe, at all. His assignment to the D league team should have been a good 2nd step from having a personal workout partner. That would ease him into games with no travel problems(since he has the bus), though with the loss of teammate time while traveling to games. He refuses to do that. If these things are true? Houston should suspend him without pay until he reports to play. Or just cut him. Maybe RW just wants to be paid and not show up? Maybe he needs to be promised a starting position and a certain amount of mpg. Maybe he should replace McHale since he's proven to be a much better player than Kevin was...Oh!

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                            • #59
                              Re: Royce White refuses D league

                              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                              I wonder if it could be a case of this:

                              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/
                              Really, Anthem? You're actually a well-respected member of this board so I'd expect different from you.

                              Does it seem like Royce bases his sense of self-worth and value on the opinions of others? Half of his time on Twitter is spent ReTweeting people who degrade him and say they wish he would just kill himself already. The other half is spent talking about changing society's collective conception, or misconception, of mental illness. Not exactly a lot of "me, myself, and I" self-aggrandizing talk.

                              We know very little about this situation and what's going on behind the scenes. The little we do know is mainly through a biased filter, either through Royce or the Rockets, who both want, naturally, to come out of this ugly situation looking the better.

                              Unless you sit down with Royce as a trained psychiatrist, over many hours and sessions, let's refrain from throwing around diagnoses, please.
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                              • #60
                                Re: Royce White refuses D league

                                Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
                                Really, Anthem? You're actually a well-respected member of this board so I'd expect different from you.

                                Does it seem like Royce bases his sense of self-worth and value on the opinions of others? Half of his time on Twitter is spent ReTweeting people who degrade him and say they wish he would just kill himself already. The other half is spent talking about changing society's collective conception, or misconception, of mental illness. Not exactly a lot of "me, myself, and I" self-aggrandizing talk.

                                We know very little about this situation and what's going on behind the scenes. The little we do know is mainly through a biased filter, either through Royce or the Rockets, who both want, naturally, to come out of this ugly situation looking the better.

                                Unless you sit down with Royce as a trained psychiatrist, over many hours and sessions, let's refrain from throwing around diagnoses, please.
                                Royce needs to hire a better filter as right now the current one is not doing a good job of presenting his side in a way that will get people on his side.As of right now he has presented himself as a victim, not as someone who is doing his best to fight threw a terrible situation. One gets people to call you a pussy, the other gets people to sympathize with you.

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