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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Royce White refuses D league

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  • #16
    Re: Royce White refuses D league

    Wow, that statement he issued is scary. It sounds like a threat. This part in particular.

    "In hindsight of the recent tragedies in this country, that had mental illness variables, you would think it would encourage people to act more proactively in that arena. You would think that decision makers who are not well informed about mental health, would take the consultation and recommendation of those who are. You would think we would start to do everything possible to not let the tragic consequences befall us first, before we ask the logical question, “why?”, “who knew?” “how could we have helped?."

    I don't know much about this guy, but there are like 6 billion people in this world that wish they had an opportunity to play in the NBA. He probably just shut the door on his personal opportunity.

    and this statement, what does this even mean?

    "I have chosen to not play, because the doctors and I believe it to be unsafe for unqualified Rockets front office personnel to make medical decisions, as they are not mental health professionals.”

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    • #17
      Re: Royce White refuses D league

      The most irritating thing about Royce White is that he uses a lot of words but fails to say anything substantive. He never describes what he thinks the Rockets should do to help him deal with his mental health issues. He keeps saying over and over again that the Rockets and NBA have failed to come up with a protocol to outline what they are going to do to accomodate his anxiety disorder.

      General Anxiety disorders are a serious issue to deal with. However he needs to take ownership of this issue himself. He shouldn't expect his employer to resolve his problems for him. He's going to have to deal with his disorder with or without the Rockets help. If he keeps shifting all the blame on the Rockets and the NBA, he'll find himself dealing with it on his own.

      You don't bite the hand that feeds you especially when that hand is attached to David Stern's arm.

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      • #18
        Re: Royce White refuses D league

        I believe that he has a very serious issue to deal with and I doubt if it's something that he can just suck it up and get over. I do think the team should accommodate him within reason but he's just being unreasonable. He wouldn't have to fly to 40 games but he would have to for back to back games. He wants to dictate all the terms of his employment with the team and it seems like he wants to world to change for him instead of trying to adapt. If the D league does travel by bus, I don't see where he has a leg to stand on with his argument.
        He's basically being the ultimate prima donna gifted athlete who's used to having the world revolve around him. I hope he's not getting paid through all of this.
        Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

        Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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        • #19
          Re: Royce White refuses D league

          I dont get why people talk about this dude. He is a tool it has been about not getting guaranteed playing time from day one(reason he throw a fit and didnt go to camp) with this guy and it's laughable at the **** he makes up.

          The Rockets have done things no organaztion would do for this guy and he keeps spiting in their face. I would cut him let him play in Europe and figure out what real anxiety would be like. It would especially be funny if he only gets offers from the teams that don't pay their players half the time.

          The other funny thing is he would probably be out of the dleague by now if he would of just showed up and played but now the kid shited on his chance. I just dont get why he thinks he is better than every body just bad taste for me.

          Does he have an agent? If he does his agent needed to get a grip on him months ago.

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          • #20
            Re: Royce White refuses D league

            I read up a little on Mr. White, and his history. From what I read, and is current actions, it really does sound like his issues are just about sucking it up. It seems he learned that he can take advantage of issues he had responding to a traumatic event, and has been using it to get things he wants. Maybe he still has problems, but it sure as hell doesn't seem to be as bad as he is playing it up to be. Someone with anxiety disorder as bad as he makes it out to be, he sure did a lot of things at Minnesota that I have a hard time believing someone with anxiety disorder would do. (i.e. theft x2, assault, trespassing)

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            • #21
              White can get his contract voided for insubordination. The thing isn't written in stone.

              It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

              Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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              • #22
                Re: Royce White refuses D league

                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                White can get his contract voided for insubordination. The thing isn't written in stone.
                He has broken so many CBA rules I wouldn't be surprised if he has to pay back the money he has been paid of his contract. It wouldn't be the first time a professional athlete would be in breach of contract and have to pay his money back.

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                • #23
                  Re: Royce White refuses D league

                  What the hell kind of statement is that? Referencing recent tragedies? Good god is that stupid. What a horrible, tone-deaf thing to say.

                  The Rockets this, mental health professionals that . . . He still sees it all as external happenings that only tangentially involve him. He won't get better until his statements start with I need to . . . I will . . . .
                  You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                  • #24
                    Re: Royce White refuses D league

                    I try to never wish bad things on somebody, but if anybody deserves it it's him for even putting himself in the same sentence with the tragedies that have transpired recently. I hope he never receives another paycheck and has to pay back what he's already "earned."

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                    • #25
                      Re: Royce White refuses D league

                      The Rockets knew they were taking a big gamble on this guy from the get-go.
                      He is proving to them that they made a mistake, so they need to just cut him
                      and move on.

                      It's a hard life to live when you are your own worst enemy.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Royce White refuses D league

                        lol what in the world?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Royce White refuses D league

                          Doesn't seem like the Rockets are handling Royce correctly. I highly doubt Royce is being so difficult to work with just for the fun of it.

                          I'd love for Royce to be a Pacers. Fo sho!

                          Royce does need to suck it up and figure out how HE can control his own anxiety instead of letting it own him. People on this board suffer from it. My wife suffers from it, and she continually tries to beat it. It also helps that I'm there for her. Maybe Royce needs to have a family member travel with him. Either way, he needs to figure it more than Houston does. I know that sounds a little contradictory, but it isn't. Houston doesn't seem to be handling the situation well, but at the same time Royce needs to work on his anxiety too. It's not all just Houston. Just can't let a disease/whatever dictate who you are.
                          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Royce White refuses D league

                            Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                            White can get his contract voided for insubordination. The thing isn't written in stone.
                            I'm wondering if that's why they're trying to send him to the D-League; to make the insubordination clear.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Royce White refuses D league

                              I wonder how he will pay a lawyer if he is suspended without pay and chooses to fight the suspension. Will the union pick up the tab?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Royce White refuses D league

                                If it was just easy to cut/waive White, it probably would have happened. It seems to me there must be federal issues on health that apply that the Rockets have to abide by, not to mention the PR aspect concerning how they handle it. Plus it's not like NBA teams weren't aware of White's problem, and the Rockets went ahead and drafted White knowing about his problem. There might be a legal problem that is keeping the Rockets from just cutting White. It will be interesting how this situation plays out, AND IT'S NOT THE PACERS PROBLEM!

                                I bet the Rockets wish they had a re-do on that draft where they could have drafted someone else instead of what looks like a possible wasted #16 draft pick. I wonder if they had drafted Miles Plumlee who Bird would have drafted then... hopefully not Royce White. Whoever it would have been, they probably wouldn't be playing anymore than Plumjam is.

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