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  • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

    Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
    I don't know about Danny's best year, didn't he average like 25.8 ppg one year, I just started watching the NBA 2 years ago so I didn't see it
    2005-06 22 IND NBA 78 17 22.6 2.8 6.1 .462 0.4 1.2 .323 1.5 1.9 .777 1.7 3.2 4.9 1.2 0.7 0.8 1.0 2.7 7.5
    2006-07 23 IND NBA 82 57 34.0 4.9 10.6 .459 1.3 3.5 .382 2.9 3.6 .803 1.4 3.3 4.6 1.4 0.8 0.7 1.6 3.0 13.9
    2007-08 24 IND NBA 80 80 36.0 6.7 15.1 .446 2.1 5.3 .404 4.0 4.7 .852 1.2 4.9 6.1 2.1 1.2 1.1 2.1 3.6 19.6
    2008-09 25 IND NBA 67 66 36.2 8.5 19.1 .447 2.7 6.7 .404 6.0 6.9 .878 0.7 4.4 5.1 2.7 1.0 1.4 2.5 3.1 25.8
    2009-10 26 IND NBA 62 62 36.7 7.9 18.4 .428 2.5 7.1 .361 5.9 6.9 .848 1.1 4.4 5.5 2.8 1.5 0.8 2.5 3.0 24.1
    2010-11 27 IND NBA 79 79 35.0 6.8 15.9 .425 2.0 5.2 .386 5.0 5.9 .848 1.1 4.3 5.4 2.6 1.1 0.8 2.6 2.7 20.5
    2011-12 28 IND NBA 62 62 33.3 6.3 15.2 .416 2.0 5.2 .381 4.1 4.7 .873 1.3 3.7 5.0 1.8 1.0 0.6 1.8 2.3 18.7
    Career NBA 510 423 33.2 6.2 14.1 .438 1.8 4.7 .384 4.1 4.8 .847 1.2 4.0 5.2 2.0 1.0 0.9 2.0 2.9 18.2
    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.


    2005-06 22 IND NBA 78 17 22.6 2.8 6.1 .462 0.4 1.2 .323 1.5 1.9 .777 1.7 3.2 4.9 1.2 0.7 0.8 1.0 2.7 7.5
    2006-07 23 IND NBA 82 57 34.0 4.9 10.6 .459 1.3 3.5 .382 2.9 3.6 .803 1.4 3.3 4.6 1.4 0.8 0.7 1.6 3.0 13.9
    2007-08 24 IND NBA 80 80 36.0 6.7 15.1 .446 2.1 5.3 .404 4.0 4.7 .852 1.2 4.9 6.1 2.1 1.2 1.1 2.1 3.6 19.6
    2008-09 25 IND NBA 67 66 36.2 8.5 19.1 .447 2.7 6.7 .404 6.0 6.9 .878 0.7 4.4 5.1 2.7 1.0 1.4 2.5 3.1 25.8
    2009-10 26 IND NBA 62 62 36.7 7.9 18.4 .428 2.5 7.1 .361 5.9 6.9 .848 1.1 4.4 5.5 2.8 1.5 0.8 2.5 3.0 24.1
    2010-11 27 IND NBA 79 79 35.0 6.8 15.9 .425 2.0 5.2 .386 5.0 5.9 .848 1.1 4.3 5.4 2.6 1.1 0.8 2.6 2.7 20.5
    2011-12 28 IND NBA 62 62 33.3 6.3 15.2 .416 2.0 5.2 .381 4.1 4.7 .873 1.3 3.7 5.0 1.8 1.0 0.6 1.8 2.3 18.7
    Career NBA 510 423 33.2 6.2 14.1 .438 1.8 4.7 .384 4.1 4.8 .847 1.2 4.0 5.2 2.0 1.0 0.9 2.0 2.9 18.2
    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.




    2010-11 20 IND NBA 61 19 20.7 2.9 6.5 .453 0.7 2.3 .297 1.3 1.7 .762 0.6 3.1 3.7 1.1 1.0 0.4 1.1 2.1 7.8
    2011-12 21 IND NBA 66 66 29.7 4.3 9.7 .440 1.4 3.5 .385 2.2 2.8 .802 0.8 4.8 5.6 2.4 1.6 0.6 1.8 2.9 12.1
    2012-13 22 IND NBA 26 26 35.8 6.2 14.2 .432 2.2 5.4 .400 2.1 2.5 .818 0.9 6.1 7.0 3.6 1.3 0.9 2.5 2.8 16.5
    Career NBA 153 111 27.2 4.1 9.2 .442 1.2 3.3 .365 1.8 2.3 .794 0.8 4.3 5.1 2.1 1.3 0.6 1.7 2.6 11.1
    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.


    2010-11 20 IND NBA 61 19 20.7 2.9 6.5 .453 0.7 2.3 .297 1.3 1.7 .762 0.6 3.1 3.7 1.1 1.0 0.4 1.1 2.1 7.8
    2011-12 21 IND NBA 66 66 29.7 4.3 9.7 .440 1.4 3.5 .385 2.2 2.8 .802 0.8 4.8 5.6 2.4 1.6 0.6 1.8 2.9 12.1
    2012-13 22 IND NBA 26 26 35.8 6.2 14.2 .432 2.2 5.4 .400 2.1 2.5 .818 0.9 6.1 7.0 3.6 1.3 0.9 2.5 2.8 16.5
    Career NBA 153 111 27.2 4.1 9.2 .442 1.2 3.3 .365 1.8 2.3 .794 0.8 4.3 5.1 2.1 1.3 0.6 1.7 2.6 11.1
    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.

    I think many of us would rather have someone shooting 18/7/4/1/1 46%fg 41%3pt on a playoff team than 25/5/2/1/1 44%fg 40%3pt on a losing team. The more Danny scored the more the more other parts of his games slipped. If Paul can continue to do both and get to the FT line, he will have the best all-around effort that won games since Jermaine O'Neal 03-04 season

    1996-97 18 POR NBA 45 0 10.2 1.5 3.4 .451 0.0 0.0 .000 1.0 1.7 .603 0.9 1.9 2.8 0.2 0.0 0.6 0.6 1.0 4.1
    1997-98 19 POR NBA 60 9 13.5 1.9 3.9 .485 0.0 0.0 .000 0.8 1.5 .506 1.3 2.0 3.4 0.3 0.3 1.0 0.9 1.7 4.5
    1998-99 20 POR NBA 35 1 8.9 1.0 2.4 .434 0.0 0.0 .000 0.5 1.0 .514 1.2 1.6 2.8 0.4 0.1 0.4 0.4 1.2 2.6
    1999-00 21 POR NBA 70 8 12.3 1.5 3.2 .486 0.0 0.0 .000 0.8 1.4 .582 1.4 1.9 3.3 0.3 0.2 0.8 0.7 1.8 3.9
    2000-01 22 IND NBA 81 80 32.6 5.0 10.7 .465 0.0 0.1 .000 2.9 4.8 .601 3.1 6.7 9.8 1.2 0.6 2.8 2.0 3.5 12.9
    2001-02 23 IND NBA 72 72 37.6 7.5 15.7 .479 0.0 0.2 .071 3.9 5.7 .688 2.6 7.9 10.5 1.6 0.6 2.3 2.4 3.7 19.0
    2002-03 24 IND NBA 77 76 37.2 7.9 16.4 .484 0.1 0.3 .333 4.8 6.6 .731 2.6 7.7 10.3 2.0 0.9 2.3 2.3 3.6 20.8
    2003-04 25 IND NBA 78 78 35.7 7.8 17.9 .434 0.0 0.2 .111 4.5 5.9 .757 2.5 7.5 10.0 2.1 0.8 2.6 2.3 3.2 20.1
    2004-05 26 IND NBA 44 41 34.8 8.8 19.4 .452 0.0 0.1 .167 6.7 8.9 .754 1.9 6.9 8.8 1.9 0.6 2.0 3.0 3.9 24.3
    2005-06 27 IND NBA 51 47 35.3 7.5 15.8 .472 0.1 0.2 .300 5.1 7.2 .709 2.0 7.3 9.3 2.6 0.5 2.3 3.0 3.5 20.1
    2006-07 28 IND NBA 69 69 35.6 7.2 16.5 .436 0.0 0.1 .000 5.0 6.5 .767 2.2 7.4 9.6 2.4 0.7 2.6 2.9 3.4 19.4
    2007-08 29 IND NBA 42 34 28.7 5.4 12.2 .439 0.0 0.1 .000 2.9 3.9 .742 2.0 4.8 6.7 2.2 0.5 2.1 2.5 3.1 13.6
    2008-09 30 TOT NBA 68 61 29.8 5.4 11.3 .474 0.0 0.0 .000 2.6 3.3 .788 1.9 4.5 6.4 1.8 0.4 2.0 2.1 3.1 13.3
    2008-09 30 TOR NBA 41 34 29.7 5.4 11.3 .473 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 3.5 .810 1.7 5.3 7.0 1.6 0.4 2.0 2.2 3.2 13.5
    2008-09 30 MIA NBA 27 27 30.0 5.4 11.3 .475 0.0 0.0 2.2 3.0 .750 2.0 3.3 5.4 2.0 0.4 2.0 1.9 3.0 13.0
    2009-10 31 MIA NBA 70 70 28.4 5.6 10.6 .529 0.0 0.0 .000 2.3 3.2 .720 1.8 5.2 6.9 1.3 0.4 1.4 1.8 3.0 13.6
    2010-11 32 BOS NBA 24 10 18.0 2.1 4.5 .459 0.0 0.0 .000 1.2 1.8 .674 1.0 2.6 3.7 0.5 0.1 1.3 1.1 2.7 5.4
    2011-12 33 BOS NBA 25 24 22.8 2.1 4.8 .433 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.2 .677 1.5 3.9 5.4 0.4 0.3 1.7 0.8 3.2 5.0
    2012-13 34 PHO NBA 19 0 16.8 2.9 5.6 .528 0.0 0.0 1.4 1.7 .813 1.0 3.4 4.4 0.4 0.5 1.7 0.9 1.9 7.3
    Career NBA 930 680 27.7 5.3 11.3 .466 0.0 0.1 .147 3.1 4.3 .711 2.0 5.3 7.3 1.4 0.5 1.9 1.9 2.9 13.6
    Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com.




    But he is not there yet. This month proves that he is capable. Which was unknown a month ago.
    Last edited by Major Cold; 12-20-2012, 05:05 PM. Reason: formatted table did not work

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    • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

      Paul is close to Granger level right now and ahead of Danny when he was 24 years old factoring in defense. At the present trajectory, Paul will become better than Danny ever was within a couple years. If he tops out where he is now and simply matures his game a little, he is a Danny Granger level talent. I fully expect Paul to surpass Danny very much like the way Reggie surpassed Chuck Person. Reggie and Paul are at another level.
      Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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      • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

        Originally posted by PGisthefuture View Post
        He did it to Dwight Howard but it didn't count.
        But it still made for a great avatar.

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        • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

          35.6mpg .488fg% 8.2rebs 3.6asts 1.1blks 1.4stls 19.0pts - 15 wins
          36.1mpg .360fg% 5.7rebs 3.5asts 0.7blks 1.3stls 13.7pts - 12 losses

          Averaged more time in losses and averaged less in every single category.

          Pretty telling how important he is. Can't wait to see how good this team can be with the return of Granger.
          "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."

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          • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

            Granger will disrupt everything and everyone
            Never forget

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            • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

              I'm going to say "Maybe" only because I want to see how he comes out after Granger returns. I think he's got the tools, but I'm not sure if he's doing it out of necessity right now. I definitely love seeing him like this, though.

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              • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                The debate is over for me, this isn't even close. He's playing a higher total level than Danny in his own AS season. Danny had a team that was shooting volume 3s and playing a higher pace. Danny has never reached the dribble attack level Paul finally got locked into about 3-4 weeks ago, Danny even in his best defensive seasons couldn't defend at this level.

                The Person/Reggie comparison is apt. Rifleman was the star, a big time shot maker and the go-to hero of the team while Reggie was the 3pt specialist sidekick. Then it started to change. The only difference is that Chuck moved out of the way via trade while Danny has only left due to injury. I don't think Danny is about to slip like Chuck did either.

                So unlike Chuck/Reggie which never featured both quite at their peaks, we should be able to have both playing well for years to come.




                The new debate, one still up in the air, is the race between West and Paul for Pacers all-star rep. It seems likely that the Pacers will be enough above .500 to earn a rep, and it seems possible that perhaps both of these 2 will have the numbers to back it. Can Paul continue the tear and move forward in the minds of NBA coaches, is West hitting a slump that might ruin his chances, can the Pacers win enough to get 2 reps to the AS bench? Could the Pacers get totally snubbed even if they are 5th or 6th in the East by AS break?

                To me that debate is wide open, could go any of those ways.

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                • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                  There are 25 games between now and the All-Star game, 15 at home and 10 on the road.

                  We are currently 1.5 games out of 3rd place in the East, tied for fourth with Chicago. We tend to be a much better team at home, so it's very possible we could be 3rd place in the East when ASB comes around, if that happens 2 all-stars is not out of the question.

                  As for Paul I think he has a great chance. Yes, on the ballot he's listed as a shooting guard, but he's been playing small forward almost all-year long, so if coaches are voting I think they'll consider him there.

                  In the East you have to put Anthony, James and Pierce in front of him, but after that? Let's compare him to Deng ( a post from another board)

                  Noah at this moment I think deserves into the game.

                  Deng though? There is definitely a "not" case. Lebron, Carmelo and PP are all statistically superior and have a better rep.

                  Paul George has also been statistically superior in almost every way, and is on a team also missing it's best player, which is tied with Chicago at the moment.

                  George plays 35.8 mpg, Deng plays 41, so for the sake of comparison, and to see who produces at a higher rate, and since both play easily starters minutes that should be the comparison.

                  PPG
                  George- 16.5 Deng- 15.9
                  RPG
                  George- 7.2 Deng- 6.4
                  APG
                  George - 3.6 Deng- 2.4
                  SPG
                  George - 1.5 Deng - .9
                  BPG
                  George- .9 Deng - .3

                  TS%
                  George .532 Deng- .519

                  EFG%
                  George- .501 Deng- .465

                  PER
                  George- 16.5 Deng - 14.9

                  DRTG
                  George- 97 Deng- 102

                  Opposing Small Forward Stats

                  George- EFG% .382 Deng - EFG% .460


                  So on the year, on a team with an Identical record to Chicago, and at the same position, George has put up superior stats essentially across the board.

                  George has played small forward 22 out of 28 games, he's a small forward this season, and at small forward for those 22 games he's averaged

                  17.1/ 6.8/ 3.7/ 1.6/ .9 on 44/41/80, basically scoring at a higher rate than Deng, more efficiently, rebounding at a higher rate, assisting, stealing and blocking at a much higher rate while playing at least similar caliber defense to deng.

                  Plus when you consider George's trajectory he's improving every day, and over the last 11 games (all of december essentially) he's

                  20.8 ppg
                  8.2 rpg
                  3.9 rpg
                  1.9 spg
                  1.3 bpg

                  48/41/84 from the field, which is huge, considering Indiana plays at a very slow pace, and is a defense first team, and that he has done it in just 34.5 mpg.

                  Unless Chicago really separates itself from Indy before the ASB in a big way George has the superior case for a reserve spot when considering small forwards than Deng, and that isn't a future hypothetical, but based on his production and impact this season, the whole thing so far.
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                  George is simply playing at a different level now, and I believe it to be sustainable, so his overall stats will likely continue to rise.


                  Even for the entire year, after Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce out of the 2nd tier of small forwards, listed here as Paul George, Rudy Gay, Luol Deng, Andre Iguodala and Nic Batum

                  PPG- 3rd after Deng and Gay, but scores more points per 36 than all but Gay

                  Efficiency of scoring- 2nd, after only Nic Batum, who shoots significantly more 3's and gets to the line a smidge more than Paul

                  Rebounding- Tied for 1st with Deng due to his 41 mpg, but significantly outrebounds him on a per 36 minute basis.

                  Passing- 3rd, behind Andre Iguodala and averages almost exactly the same amount as Batum, but a hair behind, significantly better than Deng and Gay

                  Defense- Paul is leading the NBA in defensive win shares, and comes out above Deng defending small forwards, he's simply playing at one of the most elite levels possible for his position. (small forward)


                  You could make the argument that this season Paul has been a top 5 small forward, personally I place him right at 5, 6th at worst

                  1. James
                  2. Durant
                  3. Anthony
                  4. Pierce
                  5. George
                  6. Gay
                  7. Deng
                  8. Iggy

                  In December though, since the scoreless game?

                  20.7/8.1/3.9/1.8/1.2 on great shooting with all-world defense?

                  Those are the types of numbers that your run of the mill all-star doesn't put up, he's been producing like a really special player since the light switched on in his head and he decided to start dominating games.

                  Paul has been as good in this month of December as any Pacer I can remember, when you consider how he's done on both sides of the ball, as well as passing, rebounding... pretty much everything.



                  If Coaches consider him to be a shooting guard....

                  There's Dwayne Wade and then...

                  Ellis? 19.4 ppg on below 40 percent and a team worse than Paul's? Nope

                  Allen? Coming off the bench and his team already will have 3 all-stars. Nope.

                  Johnson? Brooklyn is disappointing, Paul has better stats across the board and even scores more efficiently.

                  Derozan and Afflalo aren't on good teams...

                  You could make the argument that George is the 2nd best shooting guard in the conference this year, if that is where you place him in terms of position.
                  Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                  • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                    Originally posted by daschysta View Post
                    Defense- Paul is leading the NBA in defensive win shares, and comes out above Deng defending small forwards, he's simply playing at one of the most elite levels possible for his position. (small forward)
                    And they said he couldn't handle the big, strong SFs of the league...

                    Great post daschysta. If it comes down to Paul or Deng I think it helps that Paul thoroughly outplayed Deng head to head in Chicago. Hopefully he does the same on Wednesday.

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                    • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                      PG will be a 2nd teamer, right. Coaches choice. I don't think the Pacers will ever get enough air time to be an all star per fan voting. IMO the Coaches choices are the real AS anway.

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                      • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                        The debate is over for me, this isn't even close. He's playing a higher total level than Danny in his own AS season. Danny had a team that was shooting volume 3s and playing a higher pace. Danny has never reached the dribble attack level Paul finally got locked into about 3-4 weeks ago, Danny even in his best defensive seasons couldn't defend at this level.

                        The Person/Reggie comparison is apt. Rifleman was the star, a big time shot maker and the go-to hero of the team while Reggie was the 3pt specialist sidekick. Then it started to change. The only difference is that Chuck moved out of the way via trade while Danny has only left due to injury. I don't think Danny is about to slip like Chuck did either.

                        So unlike Chuck/Reggie which never featured both quite at their peaks, we should be able to have both playing well for years to come.




                        The new debate, one still up in the air, is the race between West and Paul for Pacers all-star rep. It seems likely that the Pacers will be enough above .500 to earn a rep, and it seems possible that perhaps both of these 2 will have the numbers to back it. Can Paul continue the tear and move forward in the minds of NBA coaches, is West hitting a slump that might ruin his chances, can the Pacers win enough to get 2 reps to the AS bench? Could the Pacers get totally snubbed even if they are 5th or 6th in the East by AS break?

                        To me that debate is wide open, could go any of those ways.
                        Hopefully Danny's knees will cooperate. If so I see a very potent combo.
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                        • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                          George turned the corner from "good" to "very good" a lot faster than I expected. Earlier this season I wrote on this board that he wouldn't put up all star numbers until next year or the year after and I was definitely wrong, he's playing at an all star level right now. My only worry now is that he's gonna get something near a max contract offer in a couple years, but I guess that's what they call a good problem.

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                          • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                            Originally posted by Cousy47 View Post
                            PG will be a 2nd teamer, right. Coaches choice. I don't think the Pacers will ever get enough air time to be an all star per fan voting. IMO the Coaches choices are the real AS anway.
                            He should be but I saw a USA Today article that listed all of the players who should be starters and all of the players that should be reserves with some alternates. Neither PG nor any other Pacer was mentioned. ... ...

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                            • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                              He should be but I saw a USA Today article that listed all of the players who should be starters and all of the players that should be reserves with some alternates. Neither PG nor any other Pacer was mentioned. ... ...
                              I don't understand that, can anybody show me a power forward in the East better than David West?

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                              • Re: Is Paul George becoming a star?

                                Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                                I don't understand that, can anybody show me a power forward in the East better than David West?
                                Bosh, West is probably in by the coaches.
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