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Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

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  • Re: Augustin demoted to 3rd PG, Hansbrough new Backup

    [QUOTE=pacer4ever;1544266]

    I just feel bad for the guy injury after injury. QUOTE]

    Oden, Elliot Williams, and Pendgraph. Portland must be cursed.

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      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
      Oden, Elliot Williams, and Pendgraph. Portland must be cursed.
      All the injury issues in Portland's recent and long term history and you point to Elliot Williams and Jeff Pendergraph as a pair of shining examples?

      Wow.
      "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

      -Lance Stephenson

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        [QUOTE=Justin Tyme;1544409]
        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post

        I just feel bad for the guy injury after injury. QUOTE]

        Oden, Elliot Williams, and Pendgraph. Portland must be cursed.
        They are the Colts of the NBA. If it wasn't for continued injury problems to the same players Portland would have one of the most dominate teams in the league right now with Oden, Aldridge, and Roy.

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          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

          They are the Colts of the NBA. If it wasn't for continued injury problems to the same players Portland would have one of the most dominate teams in the league right now with Oden, Aldridge, and Roy.
          The Colts?? No offense the Colts dont have anymore injuries than any other team. Guys like Bob Sanders happen all the time in the NFL.

          losing Oden,Roy ect to career enders in basketball is rare. In football not so much your lucky to play 5 years in the NFL with how physically demanding it is. Injuries happen the Colts didn't have it worse than anyone else.


          I was speaking more for Pendy dude has never been healthy at the start of an NBA season. Hard to break into the rotation with that kind of luck without a camp you are playing catch-up all year.

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            Funny that some people really believe that Mcbob is more than just an scrub I wonder how long more until they realize that? the guy is garbage nothing else, I still remember the people that thought he was going to get at least MLE
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              And for those that want to bring Pendergraph for Tyler stop it, if Pendersuck has shown anything all this time is that he sucks.
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say bring back Josh McRoberts but I just don't get your argument here.

                You're bashing him for being on several teams yet you are the first to clammor for Jarrett Jack who has been traded more times than he has in the same time frame. You can't bash one for an issue and just look the other way on the other.

                Valid point to a degree. For years, I've read posters state how could A Randolph, Jordan Hill, Gerald Green, etc be any good b/c of the amount of teams they have played for. Yet, I make a similar statement concerning McBob's travels, and get questioned about it.
                The ironic part is that Jordan Hill is the one who took McBob's job from him with the Lakers.

                Of the 2 often traveled players, I'll take Jack hands down over McBob. IIRC, both are in contract years, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

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                  As long as Ben actually gets a legitimate shot (i.e. this isn't just a 1 game thing), he is going to surprise some people. Just wait and see. I posted on here several years ago saying he was an NBA prospect after his 1st season at Notre Dame, and the vast majority disagreed with me.

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                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    And for those that want to bring Pendergraph for Tyler stop it, if Pendersuck has shown anything all this time is that he sucks.
                    A bit harsh but I sort of agree. I was extremely disappointed in his performance during the Summer League before he got injured. As bad as Hansbrough has been on offense this year, he's still a much better player than Pendergraph.

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                      I still predict he is cut and Ben Uzoh or Andrew Goudelock get picked up(or more likely a trade). Uzoh is a plus defender but his offense is terrible(although has improved this season). Goudelock fits what we do on offense I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Pacers uni.


                      also is Chris Douglus Roberts a cancer or something? He is better than a lot of the end of the bench players in the league. I bet he will be this years Gerald Green. Watched him score an efficient 50 for Eddie Najera(gets award for most fit coach) few weeks back and he is getting 30 almost every game I watch him. He isnt getting a cheap 30 either he looks much improved from his younger days.
                      Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-11-2012, 11:13 PM.

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                        Originally posted by JohnWild View Post
                        As long as Ben actually gets a legitimate shot (i.e. this isn't just a 1 game thing), he is going to surprise some people. Just wait and see. I posted on here several years ago saying he was an NBA prospect after his 1st season at Notre Dame, and the vast majority disagreed with me.
                        He played well at ND. I am hoping he plays well for the sake of the team.
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                          Here's my quick take on Ben.

                          He regularly hits between 70 and 75 3 pointers out of 100 in the gym (don't get too excited fellows these are wide OPEN 3 pointers in practice/open gyms). Of course, sometimes he does better and sometimes worse, but that's the average. The GREAT 3-point shooters in the NBA (Ray Allen, Dirk, etc.) are probably somewhere between 80-85 regularly. I don't have firsthand knowledge of that, but I've heard stories of Dirk/Ray hitting 90 out of 100 with the idea that it was "above average" for them (they were excited). So the shooting touch for Ben is there.

                          However, here is the caveats. He is better shooter "on the move"--at ND he was expected to BE THE OFFENSE. He's not a pure spot up shooter--he likely needs to take 1 step forward to be most effective. That hurts when you aren't the best (or heck even the 6th best) player on the team. Of course, guys like Ray Allen/Dirk are much better at getting off their shots than Ben. Don't mistake what I'm saying--he's not comparable to them, but he has a pure shooting touch that puts him above average for NBA guards. It's too bad he didn't go to a bigger program where he could have been more of a spot up shooter (which would translate better for him in the NBA).

                          Defense: I'll admit he will have trouble guarding quick PGs--they will get around him sometimes. Although, not as much as you'd think. He was able to guard guys like Kemba Walker in college, but guys in the NBA are just too quick. This might kill him on some teams. However, the Pacers have Big Roy & Ian in the middle so when these guys get around him Roy & Ian will be there. Also, he isn't small, even by NBA standards,--about 6'3" or 6'4" so guys won't be able to shoot over him easily (I'm more worried about the 3 point line here--guys may be able to get enough space to make some jumpers on him). I don't think he will be as much as a defensive liability as people think he will be, and that's partly because of Roy, Ian, etc.. On a team without a big defensive presence, he would be much more exposed.

                          I am biased, but I also think he is a much better passer than people think. Not a "true" NBA point guard, but he just has an uncanny ability to make plays. He won't wow you, but he never misses the obvious pass and consistently surprises you (see alley oop to Gerald Green).

                          Ball-handling: Guys I watched him shred full court pressure regularly in the Big East (see some of the Louisville games if you don't believe me). He won't ever wow you with his dribbling, but he won't turn the ball over either. He can get the ball up the court. And he knows when to pass it when he's in trouble in ball-handling situations.

                          His rebounding is above average for a guard (even an NBA PG). I'm not currently sure if he will be able to drive much in the NBA, but I think he just needs time to adjust to how big these these guys are. Give him a year of playing time and he could make 2 or 3 layups a game. And don't forget his biggest asset--the open 3 pointer.

                          This was a quick writeup in 5 mins, but you guys get the picture. If he gets the chance, he will impress.
                          Last edited by JohnWild; 12-12-2012, 12:08 AM.

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                            Here's some good examples of Ben's work. I do think they tend to focus on his scoring more than his dribbling and passing, but it gives you an idea nonetheless.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8b07D2cfJ0

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM08XNLNbUM

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                              Just wait and see. If Ben can't be better than DJ, we don't loss anything.
                              If Ben is not good as DJ, maybe FV can try let DJ start.
                              Let DJ has a better teammates, Hill goes to backup PG but has starting lineup minutes.
                              We should give DJ more chances, don't give up him so quickly.

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                                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                                The Colts?? No offense the Colts dont have anymore injuries than any other team. Guys like Bob Sanders happen all the time in the NFL.

                                losing Oden,Roy ect to career enders in basketball is rare. In football not so much your lucky to play 5 years in the NFL with how physically demanding it is. Injuries happen the Colts didn't have it worse than anyone else.


                                I was speaking more for Pendy dude has never been healthy at the start of an NBA season. Hard to break into the rotation with that kind of luck without a camp you are playing catch-up all year.
                                Yet the Colts are consistently near the top in players on IR year in and year out. Also to add to the list of injuries causing problems or ending with good/great player's careers, Bullitt, Hayden, Jackson, Collie, Edge (not ruining but greatly diminished), Addai, Harrison, and almost Manning. Yes it happens more often in the NFL, but the Colts are still usually one of the most injury prone teams in the league. That list includes three players who at their height had a legit claim to being the best player at their position, and if you include Manning that is 4 players.

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