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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

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  • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

    Originally posted by The Sleeze View Post
    Cue the new intro video with an underwater view of a fish swimming...on the side of the fish is the opponent that night(obviously)....then out of nowhere a pelican comes crashing through the water and scoops up the fish and rests on a perch...they zoom in on the pelicans eye and some rock music starts...."On your feet Pelicans fans..."

    I'm pretty sure it will be even more retarded in person than how I am picturing it.
    Because nothing screams basketball like:

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    THEY SHOULD CALL THEMSELVES THE NEW ORLEANS NIMRODS.

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    • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

      Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
      Given that the Pacers are essentially referring to race horses, as Gnome and I have discussed before, if they ever decide to re-brand the team and get away from the famous Pacer "P", the obvious choice would be a new logo incorporating a race horse in some fashion. It could be done well, or it could be lousy depending on what they come up with, but it's a viable alternative if they ever decide to really change our brand one day.
      I'd rather see an Indy racecar used. Yes, it was originally for harness racing, but who associates Indiana with harness racing? Though the connection to horses might be a good connection to the Colts, I'm not sure I'd want that kind of overlap.

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      • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

        Just feed them alka seltzer and they will go away....or maybe that was for sea gulls?
        Last edited by HC; 12-05-2012, 01:44 PM.
        "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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        • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

          Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
          I had to Google this but... Dream? Sky? Sun? Fever? Liberty? Sparks? Mercury? Silver Stars? Storm? Shock? My God those are even worse than the league's product. The Lynx and the Mystics are the only teams in the league whose nickname isn't a horible.
          What is wrong with Storm or Shock? And why are those somehow "worse" than Mystic?

          Not sure what the supposed consensus criteria are for team nicknames - I mean, an animal should be somewhat feisty, but other than that what should be considered so bad about the Fever or the Liberty?

          After all, I suppose none of them evoke the fear and awe of a Lake or a Nugget.
          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

            Back to Bob Johnson and the name Bobcats. It was during the press conference when the name was introduced, Johnson mentioned he liked Bobcats because he felt like he was putting his name behind the success or failures of the team. Later in the press conference I remember him saying something to the effect of everyone knowing who the buck stops with in regards to the Bobcats.

            So yes, that was a product of Bob Johnson's ego!
            ...Still "flying casual"
            @roaminggnome74

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            • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
              you thought Gordon wanted out before? think the guy wants to be a Pelican!?
              Anthony Davis should be okay with it. Some once said he already looks like a real-life Angry Bird.

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              • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                That's actually a pretty great logo. Is this official?

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                • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                  Brass. The New Orleans Brass. Is that not a clear winner?

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                  • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                    Will Michael Jordan pickup the name Hornets for the Charlotte franchise? I could only hope so.
                    ...Still "flying casual"
                    @roaminggnome74

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                    • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                      Originally posted by BillS View Post

                      After all, I suppose none of them evoke the fear and awe of a Lake or a Nugget.
                      Or the flippin' Knickerbockers!


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                      • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                        Name That Team
                        Have the sports leagues run out of mascots?

                        By Sam Eifling|Posted Wednesday, Feb. 19, 2003


                        The new NBA franchise in Charlotte needs a mascot, and the city fathers have uncapped the suggestion box for the public. One of the informal guidelines is no insect names—the city had its heart broken by its last team, the sharply named Hornets, who blew town to play in New Orleans. So, what creature has emerged as the early front-runner? Some heretofore unused beast? Nope. The people have spoken, and they're clamoring for the Charlotte Cougars, the lamest idea they could have possibly come up with.

                        No, really. Cougars steadfastly conforms to every tried-and-staid rule for how to name your sports franchise. For one thing, the leagues long ago reached the saturation point for large felines. Major League Baseball puts up the Tigers, the NHL sports Panthers and Predators (tigers of the saber-toothed variety). The NFL fields Lions, Jaguars, Bengals (barely), and the Carolina Panthers, who play home games a wind-aided punt from the site of Charlotte's planned basketball arena. Twenty-five years ago, North Carolina supported an ABA team named the Cougars, and there's already a Women's Football League team in Greensboro that shares the same nickname.

                        More disheartening, though, is the mascot cul-de-sac that "Cougars" would signify. Two of the last four NFL expansion teams were cats, and another was the "Texans," hardly a revelation. The NBA's latest growth spurts brought the laudable Raptors and Timberwolves but also uninspiring singular nouns like Heat and Magic. Major League Soccer (10 teams, no animals) is big on these kinds of mascots, too, offering up the United, Burn, and Galaxy. The neophyte WNBA sports the Sun, Sting, Lynx, Mercury, Liberty, Storm, Shock, Fever, Fire, and Sol.

                        A proper mascot shouldn't be singular or adjectival (can United players exist separately?). Animals are usually a safer bet, but really, Cougars? Can't we as a civilization uncover mascots with more panache than another round of conspicuously plush animals?

                        Actually, we can. The Charlotte Regional Sports Commission has received more than 750 different name submissions thus far, mostly at its Web site. It has been passing along the realistic candidates to the team ownership, which is headed by Black Entertainment Television founder Robert Johnson. "Cougars" has lots of support, but some of the less obvious offerings are sheer delight. Sarcastically, perhaps, "Charlottans" has been proposed. E.B. White might have been flattered with "Spiders." Charlotte's per capita donation to its arts council is the highest in the nation, so there were artsy suggestions—"Sculptors," for example.

                        The city also boasts the country's richest banking center outside of New York City, so someone chipped in "Bankers"—and, hey, why not? Just as the Hornets' home court was known as the Hive, the Bankers could play in the Vault, and arena sponsorship would be a shoo-in. Bankers is a copy editor's dream—abundant financial puns, on down to the bank shot. There's also the ironic acknowledgement that the NBA isn't a league of fearsome predators so much as it is a league of somnambulant millionaires pushing the ball up the court like a loan application across a desk.

                        Regional animals are overrated, anyway. Just look at the latest baseball expansion teams. What kind of personality can you possibly ascribe to a Devil Ray? Would fewer than 95 percent of Diamondbacks fans run like hell if they encountered the real thing? "Hornets" worked because it was more legend than local fauna. When Charles Cornwallis led troops through downtown Charlotte in 1780, his boys were peppered with shots from militiamen hiding behind trees and bushes. He kvetched later that it was like walking into a nest of hornets. Charlotte residents still revel in the association—though it should be noted that their first choice for that team was the singular and nauseatingly generic "Spirit." In one of its few laudable acts, team ownership overrode them.

                        Admittedly, the Hornets fit the city so marvelously, that nothing, not even "Bankers," could live up. But the healing won't begin by snaring yet another feline into mascot captivity, stuffed toy sales be damned. The Charlotte bosses still have time (the NBA wants a proposal by early April) and plenty of options. If all else fails, they could always just roll out "Wildcats."


                        (Slate)
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                        • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                          I actually like it for two reasons:

                          1) It's unique, and 2) It ends with an "s" (I hate names like Heat, Thunder, Storm, Shock, etc.).

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                          • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                            Originally posted by MnvrChvy View Post
                            Brass. The New Orleans Brass. Is that not a clear winner?
                            At the time when the Hornets moved to New Orleans... The New Orleans Brass was the local minor league hockey franchise. I thought they should have just bought the name right then and there, or waited for the franchise to fold/move (which it did in short order).
                            ...Still "flying casual"
                            @roaminggnome74

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                            • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                              Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                              That's actually a pretty great logo. Is this official?
                              Just something I saw on the interwebs and thought looked good.

                              I'm just glad they didn't go with another lame "it's plural, but it's also singular" name that was supposed to be all new and hip. I totally forgot to put the Heat in my earlier post. At least they have the little tail thing on their T which is kind of cool.

                              Besides, pelicans are ****ing mean.





                              "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                              -Lance Stephenson

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                              • Re: Hornets changing name to New Orleans Pelicans

                                People just don't like it because it's different. When there are posts like "What do pelicans have to do with basketball" it makes it really obvious. I hate singular names so I always disliked Krewe and Brass, but Brass would be the worst. When they are on a losing streak, what will they be called?

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