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11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

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    Game Time Start: 10:00 PM EST
    Where: Sleep Train Arena, Sacramento, CA
    Officials: J. Phillips, J. Orr, S. Wall

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Sacramento Notes
    Television: FOX Sports Indiana / Comcast SportsNet California
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / KHTK 1140 AM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you

    Away: 3-6
    West: 4-3
    Home: 4-5
    East: 1-4
    Dec 01
    Dec 04
    Dec 05
    Dec 07

    Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)

    None Reported

    Tom Ziller: Virginia Beach reportedly reaches deal with Comcast, Kings

    Sacramento's worsening relocation nightmare continues: Virginia Beach's mayor
    reportedly has a deal with the Kings and Comcast to build a new facility in the city.
    They just need $150 million from the state of Virginia to make it pencil out.

    Welp City. According to WAVY-TV's Bruce Rader, Virginia Beach mayor Will Sessoms
    has reached a deal with Comcast-Spectacor and apparently the Maloofs to build a city
    -owned arena in that fair burg, with the cable company as the operator and the Kings
    as the primary tenant. Next Tuesday, Rader reports, Sessoms will ask the Virginia
    Beach City Council to approve a request to the State of Virginia for $150 million to
    help build the arena and finance the team's relocation. The apparent angle will be that
    doing the deal gives Virginia its first professional major league team since ... the ABA's

    Rader says $80 million of that money will go toward relocation costs for the Kings. The
    Maloofs owe the city of Sacramento just less than that amount, and the standard recent
    relocation fees from the NBA have been $30 million. The Maloofs could also default on
    their loan with the city and fork over a $25 million stake of the team, per the loan

    Famously, the Maloofs bristled at providing collateral for a restructured city loan in the
    most recent arena negotiations. The Virginia Beach deal, as proposed, would apparently
    let Virginian taxpayers handle...CONTINUE READING AT SACTOWN ROYALTY

    Curtis Harris: The Welfare Kings
    After months of negotiations it appears the details have been worked out
    to build an arena in Virginia Beach, and bring a major league sports team
    with it.

    But the deal is far from being done.

    A plan to build a $350 million arena on the Virginia Beach oceanfront,
    with an NBA team as its anchor tenant, moved forward tonight.

    - Via Va Beach/Kings/Arena Details worked out

    Oh things are “moving forward”, alright. Yet another reach into the public pocket by
    private sports franchises. The Maloofs of Sacramento Kings infamy are continuing
    their quest to shore up their own finances at the expense of some public, somewhere.

    The plan for this stadium boondoggle is staggering. Of the $300 million plan I’ve
    been able to find and scrutinize, here’s what’s been reported:
    The city would contribute $195 million. The state will be asked for $150
    million, of which $70 million would be for the arena, and Comcast-
    Spectacor, the Philadelphia-based sports and entertainment company
    that would lease and operate the arena and is working to recruit the
    pro sports team, would put in $35 million.

    So, out of a $300 million stadium, the city of Virginia Beach will provide $195 million.
    The Commonwealth of Virginia will spend $70 million. That leaves just $35 million of
    private dollars to be spent by Comcast to finance construction. Also keep in mind
    Virginia is also being asked to spend $80 million to cover relocation expenses for the
    Maloofs and to make up for so-called “lost revenue” should the Kings relocate and be
    forced to play in “substandard” arenas.

    Leaving aside the entitled notion of “lost revenue”, this is patently absurd. For those
    of you looking for more confirmation on the lunacy of stadium construction read
    Sports, Jobs and Taxes, which has case study after case study on failed arena

    And what exactly are the promises? Well let’s take a look at the two consulting
    projections I’ve been able to find so far.
    The Koch study estimated an arena, starting in 2015, would host nearly
    200 events a year with 1.3 million attendees. It would also create 1,230
    jobs and generate $98 million in revenue in 2015, including $66 million
    in Virginia Beach.

    And then there’s the study by Conventions, Sports & Leisure International whose
    name ought to be a sign they are going to swing for the fences in their estimates:
    The study presented Tuesday, done by Texas-based Conventions, Sports
    & Leisure International, showed the annual revenue for southeastern
    Virginia generated by an arena would be $152 million, including $92
    million in Virginia Beach. It would create 1,900 jobs and $8.9 million
    in city tax revenue.

    Both studies worryingly use data from pro-stadium Comcast in their formulations,
    but yet we have a huge discrepancy in benefits. Koch says about 1200 jobs and
    $100 million in revenue. Conventions, Sports & Leisure International says 1900
    jobs and $150 million in revenue.

    I’d go with the conservative estimate here based on past stadium failures, but also
    upsetting is that it benefits Conventions, Sports & Leisure International to put out
    attractive numbers to sweet talk cities and states to finance stadiums. That firm
    was founded in the late 1980s in Minnesota, an era that began extreme stadium
    construction in the Twin Cities, and as we look at the list of associations and
    consultations made by Conventions, Sports & Leisure
    it becomes apparent they’re
    living on the gravy train...CONTINUE READING AT HARDWOOD PAROXYSM

    Jonathan Santiago: The Kings have improved with their new starting lineup

    After a disappointing start, the Sacramento Kings have begun to stabilize thanks to
    changes to their starters. With the additions of Aaron Brooks and John Salmons,
    their defense has stayed the course while the offense has finally caught up. At
    Sactown Royalty, our friend Tom Ziller broke down the plus/minus numbers of the
    Kings’ new starting five
    and found some positive results.

    The Kings are 2-2 with this starting lineup, and that five-man unit has been
    Sacramento’s best by no small margin. The unit — Salmons, Brooks, Evans, Jason
    Thompson and DeMarcus Cousins — is +31 in 68 minutes,per The next
    best five-man unit — Salmons, Brooks, Travis Outlaw, Jimmer Fredette and Chuck
    Hayes (?!) — is +10 in six minutes. Clearly, the new starting five is working better
    than anything else Smart has tossed out there.
    Ziller also notes Salmons’ effect on the Kings’ new lineup, pointing out that the
    veteran small forward leads the Kings in plus/minus at+50 in 192 minutes. I’ll add
    another startling statistic about Salmons’ contributions this season that I actually
    tweeted last night
    . Through four games as a starter, the veteran swingman leads
    the Kings in offensive rating at 117.6. Paired with a defensive rating of 100.9,
    Salmons has posted a net rating of 16.7, which tops the Kings in their last four

    Below is a table breaking down where the Kings have improved statistically since
    Keith Smart‘s shakeup to his starting five.

    As noted above, with the exception of blowout losses to the Lakers, Trail Blazers
    and Hawks, the Kings defense has remained steady. In their first nine games, they
    were allowing opponents to score 97.8 points per contest, while limiting them to
    44.5 percent from the field. In their last four games, they’ve allowed opponents to
    score roughly the same amount of points (99.4) and shoot a similar percentage from
    the floor (44 percent).

    Now, for those of you who are visually oriented, here’s a chart comparing the Kings’
    shooting performance over their first 13 games. It’s just like the graph on Brooks
    found in my piece on the Kings’ new backcourt.

    The offense has seen massive...CONTINUE READING AT COWBELL KINGDOM

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    Tom Lewis @indycornrows

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    Jonathan Santiago @itsjonsantiago
    James Ham @james_ham
    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

    I just saw DeMarcus Cousins put Isaiah Thomas in a headlock during pre-game warm-ups. That's gotta be a two-gamer, right?


    • #3
      Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

      Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
      Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.


      • #4
        Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

        There is no one at this game.....I'd assume that Gnome and Seth were able to get some decent seats behind the bench.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


        • #5
          Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

          I expect Cousins to keep the Pacers on the lead he is not smart enough.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


          • #6
            Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

            Geez....WTF Hibbert? Air ball?
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


            • #7
              Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

              Sometimes I wonder why Sacramento is still in the NBA what a joke.
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


              • #8
                Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

                This one's shaping up to be another offensive feast...


                • #9
                  Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

                  PG is looking like a PG out there.


                  • #10
                    Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    I expect Cousins to keep the Pacers on the lead he is not smart enough.
                    Keep in mind that last was Cousins that dominated the game against the Pacers.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


                    • #11
                      Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

                      Great outlet pass - needed Hansbrough to slam that one down though.


                      • #12
                        Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

                        Wow, Hans was obliterated at the rim.
                        Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                        Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
                        Empty vessels make the most noise.


                        • #13
                          Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

                          No Layups Hansbrough! I just had flashbacks to Reggie and Tayshaun from the Playoffs
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.


                          • #14
                            Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

                            Is this game for real?
                            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


                            • #15
                              Re: 11/30/2012 Game Thread #16: Pacers Vs. Kings

                              Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                              Great outlet pass - needed Hansbrough to slam down that one though.
                              Yeah, if he was able to take one dribble he would have, he was just a half step too far away for Hansbrough to really dunk it.