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When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

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  • #16
    Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

    Hope you enjoy the game, Gnome! Hibbert's had two nice games in a row against the Lakers at Staples.

    Seth, Staples is pretty nice, as is the entire LA Live area next to the arena. It's interesting to go to an arena that opened at the same time as BLF but is completely different. It's worth the experience to see a Lakers game, but going to GS is awesome. They have the best fans by a decent margin imo. I'll be curious to hear both of your takes since you've been to OKC, the second best fan environment.

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    • #17
      Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

      Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
      Greetings from Las Vegas... Can't wait to get this thing started tomorrow. Go Pacers
      Make sure that you head to the Sportsbook and place a bet on the Pacers game tomorrow
      Last edited by CableKC; 11-27-2012, 03:05 AM.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • #18
        Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
        Gnome, I should have had you bet something for me, but it's hard to enjoy the craps table vicariously.
        FYI....the Lakers are -7 with over/under of 195.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • #19
          Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

          When I was young I walked across the court after a San Fran Warrior game. Right in front of me was Nate Thurmond: not just tall but also one muscular dude...

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          • #20
            Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

            Also at the LA game Area 55 member Justin beck and his aussie crew joined by Shelly AkA Indysportsgirl. At the gs game she will be joined by everyones favorite Masked man El Pacero.

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            • #21
              Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

              This is where it begins for us, Here in Las Vegas on the 27th floor at the Planet Hollywood tower.

              After I find a Great Clips or Super Cuts (My beard needs some tightening) we will be hitting I-15 for L.A. Right now, I'm thinking about going down to the sports book and seeing what the line is on the Blue & Gold for tonight's game. If it is something crazy like double digits I may be tempted to drop a Benny on the game. I know I'll place some wagers on the games over the weekend when we return to our room here in Vegas. Well, here's to tonight and a Pacer's Victory!

              Roaming Gnome's Pacers Road Trip Record
              1-5
              2 losses in OKC
              1 loss in Dallas
              1 loss in Houston
              1 win in Chicago (Hicks is the good luck charm apparently because he was with me during the only PACERS win.)
              ...Still "flying casual"
              @roaminggnome74

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              • #22
                Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                Enjoy the long, straight drive down (and up) the 15.

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                • #23
                  Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                  Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                  This is where it begins for us, Here in Las Vegas on the 27th floor at the Planet Hollywood tower.

                  After I find a Great Clips or Super Cuts (My beard needs some tightening) we will be hitting I-15 for L.A. Right now, I'm thinking about going down to the sports book and seeing what the line is on the Blue & Gold for tonight's game. If it is something crazy like double digits I may be tempted to drop a Benny on the game. I know I'll place some wagers on the games over the weekend when we return to our room here in Vegas. Well, here's to tonight and a Pacer's Victory!

                  Roaming Gnome's Pacers Road Trip Record
                  1-5
                  2 losses in OKC
                  1 loss in Dallas
                  1 loss in Houston
                  1 win in Chicago (Hicks is the good luck charm apparently because he was with me during the only PACERS win.)
                  As a fan of the Pacers that is so dedicated to the team that he is willing to fly out to attend Road games....You know that you are not allowed to bet against your team, right?

                  Regardless of the spread....I always bet on the Pacers to cover the spread. The only thing I ever do is try to figure out whether to bet over or under

                  As for your only road win....you know what that means, right? You have to take Hicks with you on your Pacers Road trips.
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • #24
                    Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                    Trust me.. I've been bugging Hicks to make one of these long road trips out west. I think him having the worst seat in the NBA at The Palace of Auburn Hills permanently scared him or maybe my driving through Detroit. If I can find that picture of "the worst seat in the NBA" I'll post it. Essentially, it is at the top of the arena with the stairs ending right in front of his seat. Problem was.... The stairs had a handrail anchored right in front of the seat.... So, he had to straddle this handrail to sit in this seat.
                    ...Still "flying casual"
                    @roaminggnome74

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                    • #25
                      Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      Have you guys ever actually seen the Pacers win a game on the road?
                      I was going to ask the same thing! I'd like to know what the Pacers W-L record is with you 2 at the same game on the road. I was already more than a little worried about the Blue & Gold going 0-3 on this trip. Now I'm almost expecting it.

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                      • #26
                        Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                        Wait, you didn't include the Detroit game in your road trip record.


                        195 Over-Under seems like a sure thing for the under. Pacers defense and offense seems like a sure 90-85 type outcome...and given their knack for close games I'd say the Pacers +7 in a low scoring, tight game seems realistic.


                        Gnome
                        Could I give you $20 to parlay those 2 bets - Under and Pacers +7?
                        Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 11-27-2012, 01:45 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                          Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                          I was going to ask the same thing! I'd like to know what the Pacers W-L record is with you 2 at the same game on the road. I was already more than a little worried about the Blue & Gold going 0-3 on this trip. Now I'm almost expecting it.

                          We have attended 2 games together - Dallas and Houston. This was part of the "3 worst games in Vogel's career" week that was OKC, DAL, HOU. So not good.

                          My road victory was a solo trip last year, and it went OT.


                          But we've never sprinkled in the El Pacero factor, so don't lose hope yet.

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                          • #28
                            Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                            The Detroit game was versus the Cavaliers during LeBron's reign. I think I've seen more road games not involving the Pacers, but now it's pretty much just seeing our squad on the road.

                            Anyway, We just crossed into California but before we left we stopped by the Planet Hollywood sports book and put some action on the game
                            • Lakers were +8 (meaning Pacers can't lose by more than 7 to double my money. If they lose by 8 I'll get my money back on a push). I put $50 on the Pacers
                            • The over/under was 196 (meaning you bet a side whether the total points will be over or under 196) I put $20 on the under.
                            • Parlay bet: (meaning it's a grouped bet. You have to win all parts of the bet to win. It pays better since there is more risk) Seth and myself parlayed $20 on the above single bets.

                            On a side note, I got my hair cut and beard tightened up. Can't be looking like Rupert in Hollywood! As far as eats (a subject that Peck will appreciate) we hit this fast food place called "Raising Canes" Chicken Fingers on our way out of LV. Damn, they were really good fingers for fast food. The Texas toast was good too.

                            Well, See y'all at Staples Center.
                            ...Still "flying casual"
                            @roaminggnome74

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                            • #29
                              Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                              Thanks and good luck tonight. Good thing you got the bets in before the "Kobe might not play" info came out.

                              Come on at least a 90-85 Pacers loss, or better yet a 90-85 Pacers win. Let's have Roy get a 10-17 game going tonight and kick the slide a little.


                              BTW, I lost a 4 bet parlay (with friend) on the under when the stupid Kings/Pacers went to OT. Had they won in regulation I would have hit for a nice chunk of cash. Freaking OT, argh.


                              I knew that you'd seen DET vs CLE and just spaced it. Old man memory in full effect.

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                              • #30
                                Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                                Originally posted by kielbeze View Post
                                Also at the LA game Area 55 member Justin beck and his aussie crew joined by Shelly AkA Indysportsgirl. At the gs game she will be joined by everyones favorite Masked man El Pacero.
                                Wait a sec.....am I reading that El Pacero will be in Oakland at the Warriors game on Saturday?
                                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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