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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

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  • #16
    Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

    Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
    I know Hibbert/West/bench in 2nd half will get a lot of blame for the loss, and I'm not saying they don't deserve some. But Paul George deserves the vast majority of blame for that Spurs comeback. My goodness, he looked like a powder puff player out there. Lazy passes, sloppy handles, bad shots, lost on defense or just not trying...it was pathetic. I was openly advocating for Vogel to yank him, his effort was SO BAD on both ends of the court during that Spurs comeback.
    Vogel's solution was to yank Lance, not Paul, and to make sure Lance had nothing to do with the offense until such time as he was yanked. That was his reward for leading us to a 17 point lead in the third.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
      While no one can defend that hook shot, Roy really needs to add more dimensions to his post game to get better shots.
      Roy defends it pretty well.
      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

        Look, the way we lost was disappointing. But this was still the best game for the season for our team. The offensive flow was gorgeous and frankly the D was solid. Not a lot of defensive lapses there. Conceding 104 points is never good D but then again it was the Spurs. Most teams won't make those shots (especially the ones that Manu did).

        Before the game, I didn't expect a win. I expected a loss but I wanted a good performance. Especially by Paul George and Roy Hibbert. Paul had a good game. Not a spectacular one and he had some mistakes that cost us but he was better. He seems to be getting out of his slump slowly. Roy, on the other hand, was not as good. He had a legit double-double and 2 blocks but his 5 / 18 shooting was a big reason we lost. Still, I think that he should earn some more trips to the line. The refs were a bit too lenient on Duncan.

        At the end of the day, I'm encouraged by this game. I'd love a win but I'll take the good performance and be happy. The Spurs were one of the few teams we didn't beat last year and I didn't really expect us to do it now while we're struggling without Danny.

        I just hope that the way we lost this game is not going to send Roy Hibbert or Paul George in another slump. Roy will probably be blaming himself for this loss (and frankly, he'd be right to do so) and I just hope that this is not going to send him back into his slump.

        I'll keep my fingers crossed. All in all, things looked better today.

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

          Can we openly recognize Vogel isn't a good coach? He was trained by the dumbest coach of all time and its starting to show.
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          • #20
            Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

            We really, really missed Danny in the 4th.

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

              Originally posted by Mr_Smith View Post
              I knew the game was over when pacers were up 7 and green hits that 3 then steals the ball from paul and scores again.
              I knew this game was over when the game started but that's just me
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • #22
                Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                In other observations, George Hill has really lost his shot and his confidence. I'm not sure what the problem is, but it would help if he focused more on penetrating and using that pretty floater and let Lance/PG/Green hit the outside shots. The only guy he seems to set up outside the paint is West. I'm not sure why he loses his man so easily on defense. His struggles + Augustin's improved play are why Vogel brought Augustin in late.

                Also, Augustin's problem on defense is that he fights through the screen every single time. Steve Nash tries to do this too, and it's not always good idea when you're naturally at an athletic disadvantage versus your opponents. Sometimes it works, because he's small, but he needs to anticipate better and go under the screen (and this means teammates have to call out the screen).


                David West doesn't even try against slashers. His on the ball defense is okay, but as soon as a guy makes a move, he just stops and stares.

                Gerald Green has a much higher bball IQ on offense than he does on defense. He's pretty smart with his play on offense and his vision is surprisingly decent. He doesn't hog the ball but to his detriment; he probably should be a little more aggressive.

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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                  It was good to see Augustin have an impact tonight. If he plays like that for 13 more straight so I can say he's played well for half of the season, then I'll let up on saying what a bad pick up he was. For all the flack Tyler gets on here, he's played his butt off consistantly this year and I'm really happy out of what we're getting from our PF position. I'd be happy if we kept Tyler and West together after this year and I don't think either player will break the bank.
                  Good effort for the most part tonight, just a let down in the 4th. Great teams like the Spurs don't let down like that and we're not on their level without Granger.
                  Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                  Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                    Roy needs to hit a treadmill, and not just for walking this time.

                    He had no stamina tonight. I think he was out of breath on the 2nd or 3rd trip downcourt. He was laboring across halfcourt a bit after all of the other players.
                    Last edited by imawhat; 11-23-2012, 11:58 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                      At least there was this:

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                        I don't get Vogel. Time for a vogel-vention. Don't want him fired, just questioned about offense and rotations.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                          I thought our offense looked pretty good tonight until the 4th quarter. 26/27 assists is really good.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                            Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                            For all the flack Tyler gets on here, he's played his butt off consistantly this year
                            He got a lot of flack last season but he has yet to get any this season because he's playing his butt off as you said and rebounding greatly.
                            Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                            Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                            Panopticon

                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                              Fact: Hibbert looked good when Lance was on the floor. Why? Because Lance cuts to the basket creating passing lanes and drawing Hibbert's cover. If I can figure that out, I don't understand why Frank can't.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers/San Antonio postgame thread.

                                Originally posted by PurduePacer View Post
                                At least there was this:

                                Gotta be one of the best Pacer plays I've seen in a long time.
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