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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Start Lance At The Point....Please...

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  • Start Lance At The Point....Please...

    This will help the offense. This team is too slow, and Lance is best on the team at pushing the ball. The problem is that he doesn't seem to know whether he should push it or slow it down and look at Frank. Frank needs to take the leash off this team and them run. I know West and Roy are slow but everyone else can run, and Hibbert does a decent job at getting up the court for a big man. Everyone on the bench can run and this will help DJ's game because right now he looks lost, like the rest of the team does most of the time.

    I know they aren't the best passing team and often don't convert when have they numbers in transition but this will help the team and it will give Lance more confidence. He's already showing confidence. Move Hill to the 2, Paul to the 3. When Granger comes back, move Hill to the bench. We'll have a big starting lineup on defense and lance moves his feet well enough on defense to stay with most PG's and he'll have PG and Hibbert to help him out. His weakness seems to be getting through screens so I don't think he'll have to chase as many PG's through screens like he does SG's, unless he's playing against a scoring one. Seriously, Lance is the only guy on the team who can make a decent post pass, lol.

    I'm not a die hard Lance supporter or anything, just a long time fan who is tired of seeing this team barely be able to score 90 points and give up 20 point leads to the Wizards. If West doesn't go into Beast mode, we may have given them their first win of the season. I honestly feel this way. Agree or disagree?

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    Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

    Disagree. I like the way the Pacers are using Lance. He is getting a chance to play with the starters. And some opportunity to play the point with Hill playing off the ball. He has a chance to learn and make mistakes without the pressure being the starting PG. The way the Pacers are doing it allows him to gradually get the chances to be a PG.

    Plus I like Hill. He's not the problem. If you want to make Lance a PG, then replace DJA.

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    • #3
      Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

      Him playing with Hill allows both to be interchangeable. It doesn't really matter who has the title of "point guard" within our system.

      Plus as others have said, Hill is not the problem. I for one think he's been better THIS year with the ball in his hands, he's in a shooting slump right now. Till he breaks it, he does a good job getting to the rim with that floater, and to the FT line.

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      • #4
        Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

        The biggest problem with giving Lance too much control and free reign is when he gets too confident he tends to get himself in trouble. He really isn't ready to be a starter, especially as the PG. He still needs someone else to control when and where he gets the ball. Now if you wanted to make the argument he should replace Augustin as the back-up I will agree with you.

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        • #5
          Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

          Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
          It doesn't really matter who has the title of "point guard" within our system.
          But then how do we know who to blame for our pg woes. Pacer fans need to ***** about our pg. Its just our way.
          If games are won and lost on a calculator and piece of paper, then why do we bother to play them?

          @LetsTalkPacers

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          • #6
            Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

            The real question is whether he should replace Paul George . . . especially when Granger returns.
            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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            • #7
              Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

              An emphatic NO. I like the way Lance has come on this season as much as the next guy and am in love with his play with the starters, but for now if we start him at point and give him the keys to the team, it's not going to work. Him having the ball all the time increases the odds of him jacking up a bad shot. I agree with what Elazar said.

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              • #8
                Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

                Lance has always been best with the ball in his hands. I don't know if you want to call him a PG or SG, but it doesn't matter. The fact remains his passing ability and ability to penetrate and break down the defense is one of our best weapons. Normally that role is that of a PG...which is where his best position has always been.
                Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                • #9
                  Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

                  I'd rather try to mold Lance into DC's off the bench sparkplug role. Lance is at his best in short bursts. Give him 15-20 minutes a game. If he's feeling it, keep riding him. If not, that's enough. The more you play him, the more his weaknesses start to hurt you. He gets overconfident with his shot, too loose with his handle and too sloppy with his passing.
                  2015 and 2016 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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                  • #10
                    Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    The real question is whether he should replace Paul George . . . especially when Granger returns.
                    Paul doesn't have the aggressiveness to be a scorer off the bench. I think the 6th man role suits him the worst out of any player on the team

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                    • #11
                      Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

                      Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                      Paul doesn't have the aggressiveness to be a scorer off the bench. I think the 6th man role suits him the worst out of any player on the team
                      It's a question of who finishes, really. If we face Miami again in the playoffs, we can't afford to sit Lance at the end, or we will have the same non-existent offense as last year. Who sits if Lance plays? The only answer that makes sense to me is Paul George.
                      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                      • #12
                        Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

                        I see your point but who is guarding DWade/Bron if PG is sitting at the end? Two sides of the game, unless you want to sub/rotate the O & D.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

                          Lance has the least likelihood of causing damage to the offensive flow when he goes into street ball mode when playing with the second unit. His scoring would help there, and his poor decision making would have a lower overall impact due to the poor offensive play that the bench already exhibits to begin with.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

                            Yes..... while Danny's out give him a shot.
                            I'm not perfect and neither are you.

                            Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
                            Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

                              I understand everybody's reasoning for saying no, but I think we should give him a chance. I mean, how much experience starting at PG did Hill have before he came here? None. I really think the boost in confidence would really help Lance focus more and really do his best. I don't think he would make some of the bad decisions that he has in the past because one reason he makes those bonehead decisions is because he's pressing trying to make things happen with the second unit. I don't think the pressure will increase much if at all because he has a lot of pressure now trying to make things happen. I just think he's been in the league long enough now that he would really embrace the opportunity. He was compared to Tyreke Evans but he can be better than him because Lance has better court vision. Just my opinion.

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