Announcement

Collapse

The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
See more
See less

Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #76
    Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

    Reggie was only a career 39% but yeah he sucked too
    Lifelong pacers fan

    Comment


    • #77
      Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread



      I plea the 5th
      Last edited by Pacer Fan; 11-18-2012, 06:53 PM.
      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

      Comment


      • #78
        Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        The Pacers are in a funk and that's mostly because they lack shooters right now. Granger and Collison used to hit a lot of pressure shots and they are not out there. Also, Granger is clearly the best offensive weapon on the team and he's not there. Then there is the problem with the offense they attempted to install...and now we are scrambling.

        On top of that, I cannot emphasize enough how good the Knicks are this year. They have a lot of talent and while some of that is old talent, we are talking all-star level players coming off the bench. I recall bringing this up over the summer and people did not believe it. The Knicks will be a force to be reckoned with this year.
        Nah the Pacers are just as good or even better, if Danny is here we beat them by at least 20, Danny would have destroyed Melo, Danny>>>>Melo, not only that but Roy>>> Chandler, BAMF>>> the whole Knicks team, by the way I can't believe we haven't given BAMF a long term extension yet, 60/5 years sounds about right to me.

        Call me crazy but it looks to me like Green is on his way for 6th man of the year, if it wasn't for Mahinmi I would probably nominate him as the best off season signing in the NBA.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

        Comment


        • #79
          Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

          Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post
          You might want to rewatch footage from last season. He looked like a completely different player he just needs his confidence back. Do you not remember Noah unable to guard him? He can be a force. We had a great inside out game because of him last year. He got offered max contracts by three teams. I can't say to see him prove you wrong.
          I've yet to see a player who scores 12.8 ppg in his career year be called "a force" unless he's coming off the bench. I think you've still got the home team blinders on when it comes to Big Money.

          Comment


          • #80
            Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

            Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post
            Reggie was only a career 39% but yeah he sucked too
            smh. please tell me which player on the roster right now is going to replace grangers three point shooting?

            Comment


            • #81
              Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

              Originally posted by InYaFace View Post
              Wow...that was ugly!

              When you look at the boxscore, the only two areas where we really sucked are shooting and turnovers.
              You mean the two most important stats?
              I thought we were going to emphasize ball movement and open up the court more. I saw us dumping it in to Roy again today. That is never, ever, EVER going to work. He is not very good and no one ever goes to the boards when he shoots. Not gonna work!
              At one point today we trailed 26-21 for about five minutes. We stopped them time after time and what did we do? Come down, shoot a quick jumper or watch Roy miss a jump hook. When you suck at shooting, how about emphasize off. rebounding and getting to the FT line?

              Comment


              • #82
                Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                I was big all summer on the Knicks too. Never underestimate the impact that guys like Kidd and Sheed can have on a team, despite their age. These are two veteran champions who command instant respect in the locker room. They know how a championship team conducts itself and when they talk, the other guys listen.

                Not signing Lin looks to be a smart move. I'd rather have Kidd and Felton. Felton is just a different player in NY.

                The Knicks are just a more talented team than the Pacers from top to bottom, Granger or no Granger. I think you'd have to be out of your mind if you'd rather have the Pacers' roster than the Knicks.
                Plus if Amare concedes to go to the bench, you have a bench unit of Prigioni, Smith, Novak, Amare, and Sheed. That's 3 good shooters (Smith, Novak, and Sheed) to allow spacing for an Amare and Prigioni (or Felton or Kidd) pick and roll game.
                #DBAP

                Comment


                • #83
                  Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                  Originally posted by pacers_heath View Post
                  You'll get them when you become a professional athlete.
                  not enough though. also have to find guys stupid enough to think good character is enough to give someone that kind of money. that's not easy.

                  Comment


                  • #84
                    Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                    Im done with Roy yeah call this an overreaction post but why every single damn year does he do this funk garbage we shouldnt have given him the max because of this very reason he's way to inconsistent.

                    ughh
                    Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

                    Comment


                    • #85
                      Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                      Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                      Im done with Roy yeah call this an overreaction post but why every single damn year does he do this funk garbage we shouldnt have given him the max because of this very reason he's way to inconsistent.

                      ughh
                      don't say that man. he's an awesome person.

                      Comment


                      • #86
                        Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                        Originally posted by D-BONE View Post

                        Our offseason additions have added up to a big fat O.

                        AND just who left this team in a mess 3 years ago? Oh yeah, the same person who is in charge of this team now!

                        I quit watching this game in the 3rd qtr. I'd seen enough of little ball movement and too much 3 pt shooting. Another game of shooting 20 3ptrs. Don't tell me Jimmy Vogel can't reign in the players from relying on shooting 3's. If he can't or won't, then he needs to step down and let someone else who can. I had my fill of stretch 4's and 3 pt shooting under the last coach to last me a life time.

                        Just how many games into the season does it take to come to the conclusion this team needs fixed? What really P***** me off is I went thru the brawl, the albatross contracts that Walsh brought in, and the JOB years for this crap!

                        Comment


                        • #87
                          Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                          Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                          Im done with Roy yeah call this an overreaction post but why every single damn year does he do this funk garbage we shouldnt have given him the max because of this very reason he's way to inconsistent.

                          ughh
                          Three years ago I perceived a colossal mistake brewing for a fanbase to be fervently opposed to a Coach's decision to not revolve the entire team around an awkward, poor rebounding, asmathic second year center and to "limit" his playing time to 25 minutes per game and in a situational context. It was a mistake to think it was generally best to reward Hibbert with more minutes when it was not always deserved. To perceive Roy Hibbert as a someday franchise cornerstone who would someday become a reliable rebounder and would someday not go into future shutdown funks so long as he had a friendlier, less demanding, less pricklier coach was always a mistake and a bad habit which we are paying for today. Most Pacers fans have always been unfair to Hibbert for expecting him to be something that he is not and never will be, and for not holding him more accountable sooner. Hey in one sense I'm happy for him that these delusions and excuse making on his behalf by many fans and carried over into the front office have made him a very wealthy man, but it's also rather unfair for most to expect him to be a consistent 17 and 10 and 2 guy, the kind of production which would be commensurate with his new contract. It would sure be nice though if he could at least shoot 50% someday and regularly give us more than 9 rebounds a night. As was the case a few years ago and remains today, sometimes we are just a better team with Roy Hibbert sitting on the bench.

                          Comment


                          • #88
                            Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                            Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                            Im done with Roy yeah call this an overreaction post but why every single damn year does he do this funk garbage we shouldnt have given him the max because of this very reason he's way to inconsistent.

                            ughh
                            It started a few years ago when the vast majority of fans were outraged over Hibbert's "lack" of playing time and that he wasn't handed an unconditional starting lineup guarantee. What? I couldn't believe it, because I always felt it was too much too soon to play the guy that much, and now here we are. My assumption was that very few teams and very few coaches would have been comfortable with playing this guy 25 minutes a night and handing him an unconditional starting lineup spot in just his season season. But we can't be done with him now. We've made our bed and now we're sleeping in it.

                            Comment


                            • #89
                              Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                              So I flew to NYto see this game. Bought my tickets before the season started. Worst game I've ever been too by far.

                              I usually enjoy a good back and forth with the Knicks fans, Even when we lose. This time though there was no ribbing, no trash talk. The Knicks fans just felt sorry for me. Even bought me a beer.

                              Blah...

                              Comment


                              • #90
                                Re: Pacers Knicks Postgame Thread

                                Originally posted by DonSwanson View Post
                                It started a few years ago when the vast majority of fans were outraged over Hibbert's "lack" of playing time and that he wasn't handed an unconditional starting lineup guarantee. What? I couldn't believe it, because I always felt it was too much too soon to play the guy that much, and now here we are. My assumption was that very few teams and very few coaches would have been comfortable with playing this guy 25 minutes a night and handing him an unconditional starting lineup spot in just his season season. But we can't be done with him now. We've made our bed and now we're sleeping in it.

                                Walsh made the bed for Hibbert that Herb Simon is now paying for. Not to mention having the Pacers Nation up in arms with the terrible play they are having to watch.
                                Welcome back Donnie.

                                Last part in GREEN.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X