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Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

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  • #91
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Granger is THAT GOOD, when you look at the rest of our offensive players. Granger was tactically a very important piece of the Pacer puzzle. Now we should be better than we are even without Danny, but that doesn't change how important he was. It just illustrates how bad everyone else has been.
    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    West looks old to me I don't think he is going to get any better, I expect him to stay where he is right now, maybe his % goes up a bit but I still don't see it as a reason to say that the Pacers are somehow back into elite teams.

    And also teams already know how to shut both guys down, they know how to push Roy out of position and they know how to remove the West ISO's.
    Prior to this last game....West has been playing as I expected....if anything, he was the only Player ( outside of Hansbrough and GH ) that brought it every night. I can see what you are saying when it comes to him looking "old and tired"....but this could simply be due to fatigue. Because the 2nd unit has been atrocious since the start of the season....Vogel has been heavily relying on the Starting 5 to play more minutes. I agree that West may look tired and worn down....but he's also playing far more minutes than he should be.
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    • #92
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      Paul's mid range game being worse than Danny's is not a maybe.

      As far as Paul not being asked to move off the ball as much as Danny, hell yes he is not asked as much, because he's not as good at it! And it's one of the reasons we aren't as good! Green has actually been the one moving wihtout the ball on offense a lot of the time.

      Defenders don't pay as much attention to Gerald, Paul, or Lance as they did to Danny. It doesn't make him a superstar. It just makes him a good offensive player that has earned the respect of NBA coaches.
      To add to this, whether you like it or not Vnzla, Danny is a guy with a 25 PPG season on his resume, you may not respect that, but I guarantee you NBA coaches have. Now that respect is probably going to change with this knee injury. I think they will make Danny prove he can score again, and I don't know if that will happen.


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      • #93
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        Right now here's what I see our biggest problem as. We have one guy in the starting lineup that can actually play the up tempo/half tempo mix we kind of played last year, Hill. PG and Lance or PG and Green are really better suited to up tempo, and Roy and West are really better suited to half court. Danny was another guy who can play both ways, but when it is just Hill the difference is startling.

        In half court, our perimeter guys really struggle, PG can't beat his man off the dribble, Lance can, but often times settles for a bad mid range jumper instead of finishing the attack.

        West and Hibbert flat out get completely gassed when we try to push the pace at all it seems like.
        Of the remaining Wing Players....which are capable of playing in a Half-Court offense?

        Would it benefit the GH, West, Hibbert if we switched up the rotations to run more of a half-court offense at times and then switch gears to play more up-tempo with DJ/Lance/PG/Hans/Mahinmi?

        Is it possible to run 2 different types of offense given the lineups used?
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        • #94
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
          Of the remaining Wing Players....which are capable of playing in a Half-Court offense?
          If you consider Hill a wing, then him and only him for the moment. Lance has the ability to beat poeple off the dribble, but hsi tendency is to shoot as soon as his guy gets beat instead of finishing the play.


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          • #95
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            Overall, Granger isn't that good....if you are looking at him on a standalone basis...when compared to other top Tier Players. But to the Pacers ( and to Trader Joe's point ), it is clear that Granger is "Good"......as in "Good" for the Team and what he means to how the offense operates given the makeup of the Starting lineup.

            The best way to look at Granger is his value to this Team in particular.....his value to other Teams may not be anything more than the "Robin" on any other Playoff Team with an actual Franchise Player.....but to the Pacers....he's the best that we got when it comes to commanding attention on the offensive end......something that we are lacking now ( until Hibbert figures it out ). In the end....Granger may be considered "Robin" to other Teams....but to us....he's our "Batman".
            And that is why this team is just no that good, if he is your Batman you are pretty much screwed.
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            • #96
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              When you start to think about all the things Granger is the "best at" on this team on offense, it gets a little daunting.

              He is the best long ranger shooter, he is the best mid ranger shooter, he maybe the best finisher in traffic, he is the best guy at switching between half court and up tempo, he is the best guy off the basketball (both looking to score and looking to help people out), he might be the best person on the team at setting picks and screens.

              It didn't become as clear til you see the dumpster fire Pacers offense without him, but yeah....
              Who knew that Danny Granger = Peyton Manning?

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              • #97
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                And that is why this team is just no that good, if he is your Batman you are pretty much screwed.
                Are you saying that Granger isn't a Franchise Player?

                Cuz we all know that he isn't one. That is not what any of us are saying. We also know that we don't really have a Player that is considered a Franchise Level Player ( like LeDecision, Wade, Kyrie or Kobe ).

                Granger is the closest thing we have on our Team to "Batman". Unfortunately....PG ( as Dick Grayson ) isn't doing a good job of putting on the Cape and Cowl trying to pretend that he is the "Batman" ( I know...poor Comic Book analogy ).

                We simply do not have anyone on this Team that draws as much offensive attention to allow the rest of the Starting Lineup to score the way that they did last year. PG maybe trying to fill that role....but I don't think that he has it in him. The closest one that should be drawing the attention on the offensive end is Hibbert....but he appears to be "wilting under the pressure". My hope is that he starts to get his confidence back and that he starts doing what he did last year....draw double-teams and then pass it out to someone that can score.

                The whole point that many of us here are trying to point out is that we know that Granger isn't a top 15 Player in the League that should be leading ANY Team as the cornerstone of any Franchise. What we are saying is that the role that he played on this Team on the offensive end APPEARS to be the most important one given the way this Team is made up....not that he should be put on the same pedestal as LeDecision or Kobe.
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                • #98
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                  Originally posted by Peck View Post
                  Lance needs to shoot the ball more. In fact seeing as how he has the highest field goal % of any of our wings I would suggest we start looking to let him get his shot more often if we can.
                  Right now Lance is doing a good job of showing that he's learned to be a team player. Even with things falling apart, he's still deferring to the vets and not been tempted to "freelance" and try to take over games by himself. I think that's what Frank wanted to see. So I expect Frank will start giving Lance the green light more often. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of the season.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                    Originally posted by Shade View Post
                    Who knew that Danny Granger = Peyton Manning?
                    I didn't design the offense so take it up with Frank.


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                    • Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      if he is your Batman you are pretty much screwed.
                      Seriously? When we had the 5th best record in the NBA last year, you felt screwed? Seriously?

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                      • Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post

                        As for Lance......I'm all for giving him as many minutes as he can handle and to take the leash off of him when it comes to scoring.....if PG isn't willing to take over on the offensive end....then let Lance do his best impression of Dwayne Wade.
                        This. At least Lance is fearless, he really is. And that is something we need a LOT of right now. The results can't be any worse than they are now with our wings afraid to shoot.

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                        • Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                          Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                          Seriously? When we had the 5th best record in the NBA last year, you felt screwed? Seriously?
                          He thinks last season's sample size of 66 games was luck, and this season's sample size of 9 games is closer to reality. I wish I was kidding.
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                          • Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                            Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                            Seriously? When we had the 5th best record in the NBA last year, you felt screwed? Seriously?
                            If Vnzla had to admit that Danny was this important to the team, he would be wrong and that would be a travesty he is not willing to face.

                            EDIT: The truth as always is in the middle, does Danny immediately make us the 5th best team in the NBA again? No. Are we probably 5-4 or 6-3 instead of 3-6? I think so.
                            Last edited by Trader Joe; 11-15-2012, 02:47 PM.


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                            • Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                              Who? I think what people are saying, and what you're taking it as, are two seperate things.
                              I think you are taking my comments out of context a little. I never said Danny wouldn't help the offense, just that he won't "fix" it.

                              Overall, even with Granger, I feel like our offensive problems are that we lack a facilitator (or two). And I have been very vocal about it even when we have been winning.

                              Danny suffers from our flaws as much as anyone, and his scoring average and shooting % has reflected that the last few years. The JOB teams HAD facilitators, Dunleavy is a player like I'm talking about. Tinsley is a player like that, hell TJ Ford is a player like that. Dunleavy, who I hate as a ball player, is strong in those areas. He is soft as butter and can't defend Betty White, but he can sure as hell handle the ball, make a good pass, get in the lane and facilitate. And Danny played his best next to him. The problem was that they were both SF's and neither could be an effective SG.

                              So my argument is that a guy like Granger really can't fix it. All we are seeing without him is a magnified version of our flawed team from an offensive standpoint.

                              Think about it......all these complaints are the exact same things that were said all of last year every time we had a slump or a bad performance. Roy can't play, Paul George lacks a killer instinct, George Hill ain't a PG, Augustin/Collison suck, and so on. And Danny coming back won't erase those things because there is some truth is each one of them.
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                              • Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                                Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                                I think you are taking my comments out of context a little. I never said Danny wouldn't help the offense, just that he won't "fix" it.
                                Then you'll have no problem coming up with names of people who've argued that Danny is a great facilitator then, if I'm just merely taking you out of context, and not the other way around.
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