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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

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  • #16
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

    Originally posted by Speed View Post
    Curious about this statement?
    His all around game is very good, and would benefit a number of teams, but it isn't what this team needs from a player at that position. We need a shooter/scorer.

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    • #17
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

      Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
      Great post, the only thing I might disagree with is that DW doesn't make trades for the sake of it. We needed to tweek our bench and the least we could have done with 10 mil in cap space would have been to upgrade our backup center. We didn't need to dump most of our bench for players that gave no clear upgrade and when you do that it hurts your chemistry. We should have offered Kaman a multi year deal and called it a day. I could have lived with Ian although I don't like his contract. Dumping DC, Jones and Barbosa so we could bring in AJ and Green never made sense to me. That is almost like making change for the sake of it. We'd have a winning record right now without those moves.
      No, we wouldn't. They aren't the problem. The problem is with the starters. Granger still would be out and the starters would still struggle to score... The problem is that some posters here were sold a bill of goods that some way out stats showed that we had the best starting unit in the NBA. We didn't and we have the same players minus Granger..... Those bench changes were minor and would not cause this melt down.....

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      • #18
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

        When you start to think about all the things Granger is the "best at" on this team on offense, it gets a little daunting.

        He is the best long ranger shooter, he is the best mid ranger shooter, he maybe the best finisher in traffic, he is the best guy at switching between half court and up tempo, he is the best guy off the basketball (both looking to score and looking to help people out), he might be the best person on the team at setting picks and screens.

        It didn't become as clear til you see the dumpster fire Pacers offense without him, but yeah....


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        • #19
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          We are bad, in fact we are putrid, but we aren’t really this bad.
          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          I disagree.
          Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
          The problem is that some posters here were sold a bill of goods that some way out stats showed that we had the best starting unit in the NBA. We didn't and we have the same players minus Granger..... Those bench changes were minor and would not cause this melt down.
          So basically when we're bad we are just as bad as our record and play show us to be, but when our record and on-court play showed us as being good they were lying.

          Seems a little inconsistent to me.
          BillS

          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • #20
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

            Originally posted by BillS View Post
            I wouldn't except for the fact the Pacers DO completely deflate if teams get a strong series against them. Doesn't have to be at the start of the game - as soon as someone begins a run we can't seem to cope.
            yes, I have seen that in three of the first 9 games. All on the road - at SA, ATL and at MIL. it is always a problem, but it isn't a Pacers only problem - pretty common across the NBA

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            • #21
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
              I agree. The team isn't winning with Roy or Ian, so give Plumjam an opportunity. I'd even go further and bench Augustin and let Ben Hans have his minutes.

              Ben needs to be getting DJ's minutes. Put the players out there who are putting out the effort.
              Ben is not great but he will produce better than DJ.
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              • #22
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                Hindsight is a beautiful thing, eh? I'm not very smart, but I started to fear this in the preseason. All the exciement was about the top 10 dunks and alley-oops. All show all the time. This is he Eastern Conference where strength, will and the ability to take a hit still wins ball games.I thought the showoff fever would go away when Danny came back(an I still do). The kind of Iwork Tyler and Foster and Dale Davis give never make the highlight films, but they win ball games and hold teams together. I don't know if Plumlee and OJ could function in this period of time, but they might. They might just be ruined by the culture we are quickly building of lying down and quitting. I expect to see Dvid West slap some teammate at any given time. We are screwing up his last contract plans badly.

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  When you start to think about all the things Granger is the "best at" on this team on offense, it gets a little daunting.

                  He is the best long ranger shooter, he is the best mid ranger shooter, he maybe the best finisher in traffic, he is the best guy at switching between half court and up tempo, he is the best guy off the basketball (both looking to score and looking to help people out), he might be the best person on the team at setting picks and screens.

                  It didn't become as clear til you see the dumpster fire Pacers offense without him, but yeah....

                  West is using the Danny Crutch because his coach is. The coach rubs off on the players, that's what coaches do. Doesn't mean Danny Granger is was or will be anywhere near as good as people here would like to believe. He's a good shooter and plays with fire, but let's not allow excuses and romanticizing the past to cloud our judgement of the team: we did not lose John Wall, Kevin Love, Dirk Nowitzki, etc. And the teams we've played (or will have played as of tomorrow night) have had a more significant (franchise) player go down and they are playing a lot harder.

                  The Pacers aren't playing with intensity. They are not making adjustments. They are running terrible plays. That does not fall on an injured player, unless he's also the head coach. The Granger Clutch is old already. I'm not sure if I can put up with 3 more months of it, only for him to be 30 and coming off injury next year. Let's have some accountability and less grasping at straws.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                    Originally posted by BillS View Post
                    So basically when we're bad we are just as bad as our record and play show us to be, but when our record and on-court play showed us as being good they were lying.

                    Seems a little inconsistent to me.

                    Why bother? Really. I wouldn't even reply to those sentiments. If we are really this bad (bottom 4 of the league) then our bench last year was amazing. Danny Granger is a top 10 player. And Darren Collison was the most important player last year.

                    Now losing Darren hurts. But not this much. Losing Danny hurts, but not this much. And losing Lou doesn't really hurt at all.

                    Not getting Dragic, Stiesma, and Mayo hurts IMO. But not to the point that we are where we are at. That is crazy stupid talk. It is mental as well as other factors.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                      John Wall put in the same sentence as Dirk and Kevin Love while the poster is telling us not to overrate Danny Granger...just LOL


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                      • #26
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                        Originally posted by BillS View Post
                        So basically when we're bad we are just as bad as our record and play show us to be, but when our record and on-court play showed us as being good they were lying.

                        Seems a little inconsistent to me.
                        I don't care about the record I'm watching them play, yes they are this bad, making excuses is putting our heads in the sand.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          When you start to think about all the things Granger is the "best at" on this team on offense, it gets a little daunting.

                          He is the best long ranger shooter, he is the best mid ranger shooter, he maybe the best finisher in traffic, he is the best guy at switching between half court and up tempo, he is the best guy off the basketball (both looking to score and looking to help people out), he might be the best person on the team at setting picks and screens.

                          It didn't become as clear til you see the dumpster fire Pacers offense without him, but yeah....
                          Granger is not that good.
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • #28
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            Granger is not that good.
                            Granger is THAT GOOD, when you look at the rest of our offensive players. Granger was tactically a very important piece of the Pacer puzzle. Now we should be better than we are even without Danny, but that doesn't change how important he was. It just illustrates how bad everyone else has been.


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                            • #29
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              I don't care about the record I'm watching them play, yes they are this bad, making excuses is putting our heads in the sand.
                              So Roy and West have regressed so much that they're worse than their rookie years?

                              Even I was so fed up last night that I turned off the game, but clearly the Pacers aren't actually THIS bad.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: Fear the Deer

                                By the way I think is amazing that Peck keeps repeating that he pretty much wants Paul George to be traded because "his value would never be this high", funny that I've been saying the same thing about Danny and I'm some kind of hater, even right now people are saying it and the Danny fan club are freaking out about trading him "because they need his leadership"....

                                Yeah let's trade a player that is only 22 years old and keep and broken down player because he has the "clutch gene" great idea....
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