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Free Agency Awaits David West

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  • #16
    Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

    Let's step back and look at the current Financial situation before figuring out how much to pay West.

    At the start of the 2013-2014 Offseason.....the Pacers have roughly $49 mil in guaranteed Salary owed to 8 Players ( not including the 2013-2014 1st and 2nd round draft picks ):

    Hibbert
    Granger
    GHill
    Mahinmi
    Green
    PGeorge
    Plumlee
    Orlando

    We have 4 Free Agents:

    Tyler - RFA
    Lance - RFA ( or UFA? not sure which since he's a 2nd round pick )
    Ben - RFA
    Pendegraph - UFA

    I forget.....even as a UFA.....are the Pacers allowed to go over the Salary Cap to sign West?

    I know that as a RFA...the Pacers can go over the SalaryCap to sign their own RFAs...but I don't know if the same applies to UFAs.

    BTW....if there is any Player that would likely be traded before the February 2012-2013 Trade deadline....my $$$ is on the older Hansbrough.....not West. Also...IMHO...I think that Granger will likely be moved in the 2013-2014 offseason.
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    • #17
      Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

      I'm not sure he'll be able to get that on the open market, but all of these scenarios in which you replace West with a younger PF are still missing something...

      We're back to the 2010 Pacers, a nice team without a go-to guy.

      Our go-to guy is only costing us $10 mil/ season, and that's quite a bargain for proven go-to guys.

      If the money gets that tight, somebody else needs to be the one talking a walk or traded for a bit of cap relief.
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      • #18
        Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        The question is who is willing to pay that? If it is the Wizards I am betting he will take 9 or 10 million to stay here and a chance for a championship. If it is another contender, well then we might be screwed.
        The question is which Teams have the Capspace to make an offer at 9 to 10 mil a year.
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        • #19
          Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          I agree with you on this sort of thing for once. Pacers can't stand pat on this front court. I would move one of Hibbert or West this season. Depending on who can bring higher return. Sucks to say that because I like both of them, but the fact is we're sort of between a rock and a hard place at the moment when it comes to how to move forward. We still need to make moves, and while PG will never be a superstar he is too damn versatile IMO to just toss away unless someone offers you a huge package for him, but I just don't see that happening. So West or Hibbert seems to be the best place to bring in some assets. I know that opinion is not going to be incredibly popular, but I think it's pretty true about the team right now unless Roy starts scoring 15 a night at a 50% shooting clip all of a sudden.

          Roy is not going anywhere, Danny doesn't have any value, Hill is not going anywhere, Paul George is not going anywhere, at this point the Pacers need to realize that without Danny they are not going anywhere, not only that but I don't think we can expect Danny to be 100% healthy ever again(like Dunleavy).

          The Pacers only asset is West, he is not part of the future and the Pacers are probably going lose him for nothing, trade him to a team that feels like they need one more piece to compete and try to get one or two young pieces plus picks for the future, at some point the Pacers front office has to do what is best for the franchise.

          Here are some teams that could probably trade for West: Houston, Atlanta, SA, OKC, Boston, Denver, GS, maybe more teams.
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          • #20
            Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Roy is not going anywhere, Danny doesn't have any value, Hill is not going anywhere, Paul George is not going anywhere, at this point the Pacers need to realize that without Danny they are not going anywhere, not only that but I don't think we can expect Danny to be 100% healthy ever again(like Dunleavy).

            The Pacers only asset is West, he is not part of the future and the Pacers are probably going lose him for nothing, trade him to a team that feels like they need one more piece to compete and try to get one or two young pieces plus picks for the future, at some point the Pacers front office has to do what is best for the franchise.

            Here are some teams that could probably trade for West: Houston, Atlanta, SA, OKC, Boston, Denver, GS, maybe more teams.
            I don't think we're going anywhere this season now that Granger's missing most of it, but we can't flat out admit that we're giving up and trade West. I don't see us getting anything of worth in return either, tbh.

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            • #21
              Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

              Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
              I'm not sure he'll be able to get that on the open market, but all of these scenarios in which you replace West with a younger PF are still missing something...

              We're back to the 2010 Pacers, a nice team without a go-to guy.

              Our go-to guy is only costing us $10 mil/ season, and that's quite a bargain for proven go-to guys.

              If the money gets that tight, somebody else needs to be the one talking a walk or traded for a bit of cap relief.
              He's not as tough and may not be a BAMF....but Paul Milsap is a UFA. I'm pretty sure that the Jazz aren't going to re-sign him given the rest of their young Frontcourt that they have to give minutes to.

              We all know that the Pacers ( or at least Bird ) has been interested in him for the longest time. If the Rockets don't go after him ( which IMHO...they will before the trade deadline ), I'd hope that the Pacer go after him if West isn't going to be an option.
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              • #22
                Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                couple of minor details. Lance is under contract for the 13-14 season. FWIW, his contract is non-guaranteed. i believe he is a RFA after that.

                If a team has Bird rights on a player, they can go over the salary cap to pay him. Doesn't matter if he is a UFA or not. The Pacers will have 'early Bird' rights to David West. That means they can sign him for 175% of his salary or the max salary. I believe that means the Pacers could pay up to $17.5M for David West. Pretty sure they won't, but they could.



                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                Let's step back and look at the current Financial situation before figuring out how much to pay West.

                At the start of the 2013-2014 Offseason.....the Pacers have roughly $49 mil in guaranteed Salary owed to 8 Players ( not including the 2013-2014 1st and 2nd round draft picks ):

                Hibbert
                Granger
                GHill
                Mahinmi
                Green
                PGeorge
                Plumlee
                Orlando

                We have 4 Free Agents:

                Tyler - RFA
                Lance - RFA ( or UFA? not sure which since he's a 2nd round pick )
                Ben - RFA
                Pendegraph - UFA

                I forget.....even as a UFA.....are the Pacers allowed to go over the Salary Cap to sign West?

                I know that as a RFA...the Pacers can go over the SalaryCap to sign their own RFAs...but I don't know if the same applies to UFAs.

                BTW....if there is any Player that would likely be traded before the February 2012-2013 Trade deadline....my $$$ is on the older Hansbrough.....not West. Also...IMHO...I think that Granger will likely be moved in the 2013-2014 offseason.

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                • #23
                  Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                  Wouldn't it be smarter for us to sit on West through the All-Star break, and see what contending teams would need a BAMF PF? Then we give Danny's injury time to recover, and can assess our finals run before trading. An injury laden team with deep finals hopes could be willing to give up quite a bit to get that final piece to help push them over the edge....
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                  • #24
                    Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                    I'm not sure he'll be able to get that on the open market, but all of these scenarios in which you replace West with a younger PF are still missing something...

                    We're back to the 2010 Pacers, a nice team without a go-to guy.

                    Our go-to guy is only costing us $10 mil/ season, and that's quite a bargain for proven go-to guys.

                    If the money gets that tight, somebody else needs to be the one talking a walk or traded for a bit of cap relief.
                    A go-to guy that's not part of the future, they need to trade him while he has some value instead of letting him sign with another team, not only that but if they sign him long term I think there is a huge chance that he becomes a burden like Foster,JO,Ford,etc.

                    By the way we need to realize that this team(without Danny) is not a contender, hopefully the Pacers realize this and start some small rebuilding while keeping Roy,PG and Hill as part of their future core.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                      I also forgot to ad that West could also help to get rid of one or two of the horrible contracts of Ian and Green, whoever wants to trade for him they need to take either one of those contracts.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                        . . . BTW....if there is any Player that would likely be traded before the February 2012-2013 Trade deadline....my $$$ is on the older Hansbrough.....not West. Also...IMHO...I think that Granger will likely be moved in the 2013-2014 offseason.
                        I doubt that Tyler will be traded. Possibly not resigned, but not traded. If he is not resigned, a guy like Ian or Gerald will be signed to replace him. There are lots of guys that fit into the decent backup big slot. Or possibly Miles will be slotted into the backup big spot.

                        I hope Danny is not traded. the current edition of the Pacers shows Danny's value is more than most of us realize. I cannot believe TPTB are that stupid. The only exception to that is if they can trade 2 for 1 where the guy coming back is a star player.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                          If the Pacers continue at their current rate and remain a fringe playoff team, then they should definitely trade West for assets.

                          I had hoped Augustin would do well since it's a contract year and that the Pacers could flip him to a playoff team for a younger pg.

                          West for Kawhi Leonard? haha
                          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            Roy is not going anywhere, Danny doesn't have any value, Hill is not going anywhere, Paul George is not going anywhere, at this point the Pacers need to realize that without Danny they are not going anywhere, not only that but I don't think we can expect Danny to be 100% healthy ever again(like Dunleavy).

                            The Pacers only asset is West, he is not part of the future and the Pacers are probably going lose him for nothing, trade him to a team that feels like they need one more piece to compete and try to get one or two young pieces plus picks for the future, at some point the Pacers front office has to do what is best for the franchise.

                            Here are some teams that could probably trade for West: Houston, Atlanta, SA, OKC, Boston, Denver, GS, maybe more teams.
                            Keep in mind that the Pacers aren't going to just take back a prospect and filler just for West given their desire continue their Playoff run. Whatever Team that the Pacers trade West to has to have a Starting Quality PF that can be sent back to fill the hole that West vacates. Add in that the Pacers would have to take back in order to match the $10+ mil that is owed to West....I am hard pressed to find a trade that would work.

                            Another thing to consider....I see the logic in what you are suggesting....get something for West since there is the chance that West could bolt and we lose him for nothing....but the FO has shown me nothing to indicate that they don't intend to re-sign him or that they do not believe that West is the guy that they want to keep for the long term.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                              Roy is not going anywhere, Danny doesn't have any value, Hill is not going anywhere, Paul George is not going anywhere, at this point the Pacers need to realize that without Danny they are not going anywhere, not only that but I don't think we can expect Danny to be 100% healthy ever again(like Dunleavy).

                              The Pacers only asset is West, he is not part of the future and the Pacers are probably going lose him for nothing, trade him to a team that feels like they need one more piece to compete and try to get one or two young pieces plus picks for the future, at some point the Pacers front office has to do what is best for the franchise.

                              Here are some teams that could probably trade for West: Houston, Atlanta, SA, OKC, Boston, Denver, GS, maybe more teams.
                              a trade with Houston would be sweet.

                              Terrance Jones + Royce White or Terrance Jones + Greg Smith (give PG an old college buddy)

                              OKC would be nice, could try to get PJIII...nah, wouldn't happen. I still like Reggie Jackson dammit.

                              Denver, would love to get Faried...not gonna happen though.

                              Golden State - Jarrett Jack (plus extension)
                              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Free Agency Awaits David West

                                Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                                I doubt that Tyler will be traded. Possibly not resigned, but not traded. If he is not resigned, a guy like Ian or Gerald will be signed to replace him. There are lots of guys that fit into the decent backup big slot. Or possibly Miles will be slotted into the backup big spot.

                                I hope Danny is not traded. the current edition of the Pacers shows Danny's value is more than most of us realize. I cannot believe TPTB are that stupid. The only exception to that is if they can trade 2 for 1 where the guy coming back is a star player.
                                If the Pacers aren't inclined to resign Tyler, why wouldn't you trade him and try to get something?
                                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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