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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

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  • #31
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    the 97/98 team started 2-5. they finished 58-24 and made the Conference Finals.

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    • #32
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      Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
      Yeah, we're headed to the NBA Finals after this one! The rest of the NBA really has to respect the team after tonight's dominating performance against the class of the league. The Heat must be shaking from fear...

      Glad for a win, but if you want a "calm down, it's gonna be alright" game, this is not even close to that. This is a win where a lot went wrong, but we just happened to be playing the worst team in the entire NBA (which is good, because we lost to the 2nd worst team in the entire NBA), so we barely survived.

      As a Lance believer from day 1, I am enjoying how quickly people went from "cut him, he sucks because I don't like him," to "start him please!" He and PG need to get to the charity stripe, though.

      I agree. It's great that the Pacers won, but that should happen anyway. The fact that the Pacers allowed the Wiz to stay in the game from the beginning just shows how poorly they are playing. The effort was so much better tonight, but still have a ways to go. The last couple of games have been baby steps in the right direction.
      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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      • #33
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        Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
        Yeah, we're headed to the NBA Finals after this one! The rest of the NBA really has to respect the team after tonight's dominating performance against the class of the league. The Heat must be shaking from fear...

        Glad for a win, but if you want a "calm down, it's gonna be alright" game, this is not even close to that. This is a win where a lot went wrong, but we just happened to be playing the worst team in the entire NBA (which is good, because we lost to the 2nd worst team in the entire NBA), so we barely survived.

        As a Lance believer from day 1, I am enjoying how quickly people went from "cut him, he sucks because I don't like him," to "start him please!" He and PG need to get to the charity stripe, though.
        So you are upset that the Pacers won a close game? Three of their four losses were by three points or less. This team is not as bad as people are portraying it to be.

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        • #34
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          Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
          the 97/98 team started 2-5. they finished 58-24 and made the Conference Finals.
          Just have to continue to get better with each game. Hopefully the guys are starting to get more comfortable playing with each other and their roles.

          Hibbs continues to struggle, but those shots inside will start to fall. West just had an off day, but he's been one of our best players so far.
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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          • #35
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            And I hope people appreciate that Gerald Green is not mentally soft, unlike Big Money. He was the goat last game, but he came out and played well and made sure he contributed more than just shooting. He may not be the best defender and he certainly effed up last night, but he tries all the time. And that's all I ask of PG (won't ask it of Hibbert...I'm just glad he remembered how to rebound).

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            • #36
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              West, Hill and Hibbert combined for 10-40 and Tyler shot 33% from the FT line and we still won. A lot of things went wrong but you have to be happy for the win even if it is against the winless (as of yet) Wizards missing their two best players.
              Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
              Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

              Panopticon

              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #37
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                Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                So you are upset that the Pacers won a close game? Three of their four losses were by three points or less. This team is not as bad as people are portraying it to be.
                Seriously? Pacers are playing terrible. They are taking baby steps in the right direction though.

                Dude, the Pacers lost to the Wolves who are missing 4 of their best players. 4! Pacers are only missing Granger.

                Wizards are freaking terrible and the Pacers allowed them to stay in it. A good team would have beaten the Pacers tonight. Blown out by the Spurs, a playoff team just shows how bad the Pacers are.

                I'm still encouraged by the Pacers play today! Last two games have been their best so far this year. Still not enough to beat good teams though.
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                • #38
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                  Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                  So you are upset that the Pacers won a close game? Three of their four losses were by three points or less. This team is not as bad as people are portraying it to be.
                  Nope, I never said I was upset. In fact I said I was "glad for a win." I'm just being realistic about things, as opposed to covering my eyes and telling myself that things are great right now. There are good things (which I pointed out...Lance, Gerald Green), and there are bad things (Hibbert, the coaching). There are things I expect to get better (the new players, Lance), things I'm growing anxious about (PG's will to score) and things I don't feel I have reason to believe will get much better (Hibbert's offense, Vogel's coaching). The last two are pretty crippling, considering how invested the franchise is in those two individuals.

                  So I'm not trying to be a downer, but I think it's pretty silly to think this was a statement win or something. I said at the start that this (Wiz) is the worst team I can remember since the Brawl year. And we won tonight against such a team...by 4 points.

                  A win is a win, but in this case not an inspirational one.

                  Oh, one more plus. The turnovers have been down the last few games. We're still not getting assists, though (that's more of a play calling issue).

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                  • #39
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                    Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                    Seriously? Pacers are playing terrible. They are taking baby steps in the right direction though.

                    Dude, the Pacers lost to the Wolves who are missing 4 of their best players. 4! Pacers are only missing Granger.

                    Wizards are freaking terrible and the Pacers allowed them to stay in it. A good team would have beaten the Pacers tonight. Blown out by the Spurs, a playoff team just shows how bad the Pacers are.

                    I'm still encouraged by the Pacers play today! Last two games have been their best so far this year. Still not enough to beat good teams though.
                    The Timberwolves are 4-1, so they are a good team even without some of their players it would appear. The previous game against the Hawks was a disappointment but Atlanta is also a playoff team and the Pacers played quite well for large stretches. This is the reality. You can whine and be negative but it only makes you look pathetic.

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                    • #40
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                      You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                      • #41
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                        Originally posted by hoosierguy View Post
                        The Timberwolves are 4-1, so they are a good team even without some of their players it would appear. The previous game against the Hawks was a disappointment but Atlanta is also a playoff team and the Pacers played quite well for large stretches. This is the reality. You can whine and be negative but it only makes you look pathetic.
                        Too funny. Whine and look pathetic. Might want to take a look in the mirror.

                        I'm pointing out that the Pacers are NOT playing well, but they are headed in the right direction. What about that don't you understand. The Wolves have a hollow 4-1 record. The only notable win they have is against the Nets. And the Bulls are up by 5 right now and should win. And I'm not sure how that's being whinny. I'm not going, "waaah, my pacers sucks, boo hoo." That's whiny.
                        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                          Too funny. Whine and look pathetic. Might want to take a look in the mirror.

                          I'm pointing out that the Pacers are NOT playing well, but they are headed in the right direction. What about that don't you understand. The Wolves have a hollow 4-1 record. The only notable win they have is against the Nets. And the Bulls are up by 5 right now and should win. And I'm not sure how that's being whinny. I'm not going, "waaah, my pacers sucks, boo hoo." That's whiny.
                          The Pacers had stretches last season where they did not play well. It happens. If they beat the Raptors then they are back to .500. If this team is still struggling in a month I will join the chorus of doom and gloom.

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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
                            Glad for a win, but if you want a "calm down, it's gonna be alright" game, this is not even close to that. This is a win where a lot went wrong, but we just happened to be playing the worst team in the entire NBA (which is good, because we lost to the 2nd worst team in the entire NBA), so we barely survived.
                            Don't know about second worst team. The Bobcats just beaten the Mavericks for the first time in franchise history and even though his numbers have gone up, DC stills looks pretty much the same to me. Solid, but not much impact.

                            I didn't see the rest of the game, but why the hell was Murphy playing in overtime? Don't listen to him, Rick!

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                            • #44
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                              Pacers PR department sure showed that scoreboard a lot during the broadcast.... glad they got a win... a loss tonight would have been catastrophic...
                              "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                              • #45
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                                I think the horrible play as of late probably had a lot to do with attendance... had a lot of people second guessing whether spending the money for a ticket was worth it.
                                "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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