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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Let's discuss Lance

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  • Let's discuss Lance

    I think he had his best game so far as a pro tonight.

    Good enough that Vogel put him back in at the end of the game instead of Greene. But then Vogel replaced him with Augustine, which I can understand. However, the way things turned out, it would have been nice to see what might have happened if Lance was in at the end.

    Lance is playing with confidence on offense and seems to be vocal and aggressive on defense.

    I wouldn't call last night a breakout game for him, but it was close.
    Last edited by McKeyFan; 11-02-2012, 09:57 PM.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


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    Re: Let's discuss Lance

    Lance was pretty good today, he should have been there at the end.
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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    • #3
      Re: Let's discuss Lance

      It was nice to see him play aggressively. He was slightly out of control, but I'd rather see that than the tentative version of Lance.

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      • #4
        Re: Let's discuss Lance

        If his outside shot keeps falling and defenders have to respect that, I'm pretty excited with his prospects going forward. You can see real development in decision making, playing sound and within the game, and cutting the mental mistakes. Odviously he still hasn't put it all together yet, but he's getting there...

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        • #5
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          The shooting is nice, no doubt about it. I don't recall seeing somebody re-engineer their entire jump shot like that. His jumper looks nothing like when he came into the league.

          What I really like, though, is that he seems to genuinely enjoy setting guys up. He does as good a job as anybody on the team at getting the ball to guys inside, either by setting up a guy that's posted or by going into the lane and passing.

          No, he's not a finished product. But there's real potential there. If anybody on the team could have hit a shot in the last 5 possessions, Lance would have been the hero of the game.
          This space for rent.

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          • #6
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            I thought lance and paul played well together. their games seemed to go together well.

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            • #7
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              And of course this is the game I miss, lol. Guess he will have to do it again.
              It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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              • #8
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                With Lance , I think we got a keeper. He looks to me as a career sixth man/ occasional starter with a friendly contract.

                Why not move him up in the rotation. He shows more basketball IQ than Green and fits in better with the starting unit. IMO. I'm hoping that, while Granger is out, Lance replaces Green in the starting line up. Green has been a disappointment to me in these first two games. Lance has been outstanding.

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                • #9
                  Re: Let's discuss Lance

                  Lance looked really good pulling down those defensive rebounds and taking off the other way. He is strong enough to pull down defensive boards in traffic and when he gets out in the open he has the speed and handles to run the break. Plus he actually has the court vision and the ability to make the pass at the end. I think we saw what Lance could be for the first time tonight. I hope he gets some of Green's minutes tomorrow b/c he deserves them. I don't understand why Green got 30 minutes tonight when he was by far the worst player.

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                    Re: Let's discuss Lance

                    Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                    It was nice to see him play aggressively. He was slightly out of control, but I'd rather see that than the tentative version of Lance.
                    He has to play that way or he's almost useless. He'll make mistakes playing that way for a while, but I think eventually the game will slow down for him.

                    He was our best player creating offense against the Cats zone, but what really impressed me tonight (and in Toronto) was his demeanor on the court. He seems like he's more engaged, and he's not sulking as much after bad plays. ANd he's just simply playing harder. Pretty good start to the season.

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                    • #11
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                      To add on, I love the fact that he alleviates some of the pressure on the PG with his ball handling and passing, without needing to dominate the ball. A wing that can run the offense without giving up size is a very nice thing to have...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Let's discuss Lance

                        He had his best game. Nothing earth-shattering, but good for what we've come to expect from him. He had two bad passes that were just bad decisions. Did well shooting the ball, though. I think he's more comfortable at the 2.
                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Let's discuss Lance

                          I agree that this was Lance's best game as a pro. It's not about the scoring but several little things. I think at this point he's a pretty good backup with some upside.

                          BTW, I am pretty surprised he's improved this much. I was not sure he had a position in the NBA. At this point, I would say he could play 3 positions as a backup, but probably not the guy you want starting. That too could change though.
                          Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                          • #14
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                            Also impressed with how much effort he put into running down the court, going both ways. I wouldn't say he has the most foot speed, but he sure tried to outrun everybody.
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                            • #15
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                              Lol lance in the starting line Up? Really? He would fold more under the pressure than green is doing. Give him a chance. It's been two games. You guys turn ur backs on players so easily.

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