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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • #46
    Re: Former Pacer Thread

    The guy who argues that the amount of money spent is equal to commitment to winning now argues about value.
    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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    • #47
      Re: Former Pacer Thread

      I can also come up with a big list of players that were there for the Pacers to take and they decided to go the high price way:

      Reggie Evans: 1.6 mil a year.

      CJ Watson: 1mil a year.

      Blatche: 800K

      Barbosa 1.2mil

      Darko: 1.2mil

      Hinrich 4mil.

      Nate 1.1mil

      Kaman 8mil for one year.

      Mayo 4mil for two years.

      Brand 2mil

      Crawford 5mil a year for 4 years.

      Turiaf 1mil

      Ryan Hollins 1mil

      Barnes 800K

      Bayless 2mil

      Ray Allen 3mil*

      Rashard Lewis 1.3mil

      Dalembert 6mil for one year.

      Joel P 1.3mil

      AK47 9mil a year for 2 years.

      Greg S 2.5mil

      Lou 1mil

      Brewer 1mil for one year.



      Note: This is just an example, I didn't take into consideration team discounts, etc.
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • #48
        Re: Former Pacer Thread

        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
        The guy who argues that the amount of money spent is equal to commitment to winning now argues about value.
        Uh? you always understand something else.
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #49
          Re: Former Pacer Thread

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          Uh? you always understand something else.
          Yeah, I understand how funny it is to read someone complain about spending, that's always complaining about the lack of spending.
          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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          • #50
            Re: Former Pacer Thread

            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
            Yeah, I understand how funny it is to read someone complain about spending, that's always complaining about the lack of spending.

            I'm pretty sure you know the difference and what many of us meant by saying that, sorry but I don't feel like arguing today.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • #51
              Re: Former Pacer Thread

              Sorry to report that Tinsley is averaging almost 5apg in 17mpg. Less than one ppg. He has a game of zero points and 14 assists at one point. Here's a guy who could always run an offense, IF HE FELT LIKE IT. Evidently he feels like it now.

              He wouldn't do that when on the Pacers. He insisted that he wanted to the be Starbury of Indiana and play his playground trash ball.

              Can't stand the guy.

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              • #52
                Re: Former Pacer Thread

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                I can also come up with a big list of players that were there for the Pacers to take and they decided to go the high price way:

                Reggie Evans: 1.6 mil a year.

                CJ Watson: 1mil a year.

                Blatche: 800K

                Barbosa 1.2mil

                Darko: 1.2mil

                Hinrich 4mil.

                Nate 1.1mil

                Kaman 8mil for one year.

                Mayo 4mil for two years.

                Brand 2mil

                Crawford 5mil a year for 4 years.

                Turiaf 1mil

                Ryan Hollins 1mil

                Barnes 800K

                Bayless 2mil

                Ray Allen 3mil*

                Rashard Lewis 1.3mil

                Dalembert 6mil for one year.

                Joel P 1.3mil

                AK47 9mil a year for 2 years.

                Greg S 2.5mil

                Lou 1mil

                Brewer 1mil for one year.



                Note: This is just an example, I didn't take into consideration team discounts, etc.
                How can you forget Scola

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                • #53
                  Re: Former Pacer Thread

                  Tins had 31 minutes, 12 assists 1 TO, +18, in 2 pt win today.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Former Pacer Thread

                    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                    How can you forget Scola
                    You know I love Scola, I just used some examples not everybody in the NBA
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • #55
                      Re: Former Pacer Thread

                      Originally posted by dal9 View Post
                      Tins had 31 minutes, 12 assists 1 TO, +18, in 2 pt win today.
                      We have not had a point guard that was anywhere close to what the Tinman was when he was here. I still think they could have worked more with him and gotten more out of him. Unfortunately, the team elected to prove a point rather than try and develop a troubled player. I wonder what he could have been if he had gotten Lance like support....

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                      • #56
                        Re: Former Pacer Thread

                        For 1.2 million, we should have resigned Barbosa. That was a stupid move.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Former Pacer Thread

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          Yeah he is their only offense at times, Doc knows how to use him too, he runs him on screens so he can get open, things he couldn't do here.
                          What is this 'screen play' you speak of? I thought offenses were best simple. Like, if you get everybody standing within 7 feet of one another. Strength in numbers, right?

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                          • #58
                            Re: Former Pacer Thread

                            Collison with a 1-10, 2pt, 4ast, 4to effort tonight.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Former Pacer Thread

                              Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                              Collison with a 1-10, 2pt, 4ast, 4to effort tonight.
                              Shut your face. The Pacers F'd up like always. Every player we ever had is a golden god, every player we could have had always crushes it.

                              Anyone can twist stats and make a player look bad, and you totally dismiss his FGM like it didn't help. Plus 9 rebound opportunities created.



                              Really that's thick even by my standards , and I actually love the casual tracking of former players. But sometimes the love or hate that lingers independent of the player's output over a long stretch of games starts to wear on me. And while not a former Pacer, maybe a little posting on the Mayo 5-15 and -30 on the night as a reality check there too.

                              I mean McRoberts is still putting up comparable P36 numbers to Tyler for less money per year but I'm not posting after every game that we blew it....but they did blow it.


                              BTW, how about Metta leading the Lakers with 19 points on 5-7 from 3 and a +34 on the night in that win over Dallas.



                              Beware with Tinsley, dude is getting some of those Utah assists. Assists in SLC - 13 p36. Assists on road - 9.25 p36. One of the most subjective stats given out in the NBA. I mean 9 is a really nice p36, I'm not knocking that, but the history with Stockton's extra 1-2 every night seems to linger on in the arena where being on speaking terms with the basketball warrants an assist.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Former Pacer Thread

                                Watching the C's game, and Barbosa is lighting it up off the bench 4/4 with 11 points in 3 minutes. Nice to see what he can do when he's not the only offense coming off the bench.

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