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2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

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  • Originally posted by Sookie View Post
    D'Antoni's teams have always been average defensively (statistically).

    He's a system coach, and although there's some problems with his system, that's not the issue with the Lakers. The issue, is that they are old. D'Antoni preaches taking the first open shot. Not jacking up a shot every time you touch the ball. which is what is confusing the Lakers at the moment. This leads to worse defense because the Lakers are old...and they are missing...and they can't play transition defense.

    I liked the signing, because I like D'Antoni, and I don't think you sign Steve Nash to play him off the ball. But considering the ages and lack of shooters..I'm not sure it's going to work.
    Their roster doesn't fit his style unless they are willing to work things thru with Nash being the primary ball handler Kobe being the scorer (joe Johnson) and Dwight being amare. Not sure where pau fits in but they can make it work. Pau isn't bad on the pick and roll...they can make it work just need to find more athletes on the perimeter.

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      Why is Nash in the game when they just need a stop??


      I love Jarrett Jack been amazing this game and year!!


      terrible decision there to have that personal in for defense still

      Lakers have the final shot

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        Originally posted by Dgreenwell3 View Post
        Their roster doesn't fit his style unless they are willing to work things thru with Nash being the primary ball handler Kobe being the scorer (joe Johnson) and Dwight being amare. Not sure where pau fits in but they can make it work. Pau isn't bad on the pick and roll...they can make it work just need to find more athletes on the perimeter.
        The offense looks better with Pau in. Probably because he doesn't jack up a shot every time he touches the ball. (One of 3 players...Nash, Howard, and Pau..)

        edit: wow, Kobe ended up shooting 40% for the game...he also shot the ball over 40 times. I'm a Kobe fan...but sheesh, that was a little unnecessary. (And I know, it had a lot to do with him being extremely frustrated that he wasn't getting calls, and it was pretty ridiculous that he didn't shoot a free throw...but still...)
        Last edited by Sookie; 12-23-2012, 02:08 AM.

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          Rookies lol


          Festus you had Klay wide open for a 3 I guess Pau was wide open too but he doesn't play for your team

          great game though besides Kobe being extra Ball hog ish. One of the worst games ive seen him play while scoring 30+.

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            woah what a game! Don't really agree with Festus being out there in crunch time, that allowed Dwight to stay on the floor with 5 fouls and not have to worry about guarding anybody.

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              Shaun Livingston and Earl Barron cut lose by Washington, any interest?

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                Originally posted by Speed View Post
                Shaun Livingston and Earl Barron cut lose by Washington, any interest?
                How did Livingston get cut? They have no pgs. That doesn't say much about Livingston.

                I'd still be interested, but I don't think he can shoot the 3.

                Pacers need to trade for a halfcourt point guard that can shoot the 3. That's why DJ isn't working out...he's just not a good fit for this offense.
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...XBhZ2U-;_ylv=3

                  After denying fans a chance at a free cheeseburger, 76ers coach Doug Collins promises to pay for 18,000 fans’ free sandwiches
                  By Kelly Dwyer | Ball Don't Lie – 18 hours ago
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                  Doug Collins points out that 'secret sauce' is really just Thousand Island dressing (Getty Images)
                  On Friday night Philadelphia 76ers coach Doug Collins defiantly thumbed his nose at one of our least-favorite NBA traditions – the fast food “earning” ticket giveaways that teams usually provide to fans if the home team scores over 100 points.
                  With nine of the NBA’s 30 teams averaging over 100 points a contest, a number sure to rise as the NBA typically improves offensively as the season moves on, it’s not exactly a marvel when teams hit triple-digits. And yet several NBA teams offer a take on this promotion, which leaves teams in the tricky and often embarrassing situation of having to score needless points at the end of either safe wins or blowout losses in order to satisfy the home crowd’s craving for something they’re usually embarrassed to eat. With his Sixers already up 99-80 over the Portland Trail Blazers on Friday, Collins demanded guard Evan Turner dribble out the clock so not to show up their opponent, and the always on-point Philadelphia crowd responded with boos.
                  [Related: NYC DJs trolled Kris Humphries with Kanye West songs]
                  Not willing to quit while he was ahead, though, Collins told the public address announcer that he’d “make up” for it out of pocket. From the Associated Press’ Dan Gelston, via several previous outfits:

                  Doug Collins has always come off as the sort of basketball type that sticks to his principles, so the move to ask Turner to eat the possession, so to speak, makes sense.
                  Paying for the fast food burger himself? As other outlets have noted, this would cost Collins well over $72,000, while providing the Sixers with the lamest logistical nightmare on record – tracking down thousands of petulant fans who feel as if the home town team’s blowout win is somewhat invalidated because they didn’t get a free 600 calories to chomp down upon.
                  There’s so much fault to go around here that it’s hard to ponder as to where to start. Collins has always readily worn his emotions on his sleeve, so the push/pull of both not taking a needless shot at the end of an assured win and disappointing his team’s fans was likely just as strong on both sides, which is why he reacted the way he did.
                  Secondly, there’s Jason Richardson – a player that missed both of his free throws in the win. Let’s get it together, J-Rich.
                  Third, there are the fans.
                  Yes, the people that make it all possible. The people amongst those 18,000 attending who care more about that burger than that win, or that expertly-executed Collins-styled out of bounds play from the third quarter. Honestly, look at some of the older kids in this clip – getting an expensive 76ers jersey, a seat in the lower bowl thousands of any age could never well afford, and seeing your team take its opponent behind the shed wasn’t enough? You have to get a free burger?
                  I didn’t go to a ton of pro-level sports events growing up, but I know what it’s like to be the brat. I wanted nachos. I looked lustily at that rack full of 26 Major League Baseball hats for sale. I wanted some more nachos. I get it. Standing with arms wide-open as your team defies what you’ve rightfully earned? Grabbing a towel a player is using without asking? Come on, kids. More importantly, as one myself, come on … parents.
                  Lastly, come on … teams.

                  [Also: Kings suspend DeMarcus Cousins indefinitely]
                  Other organizations, such as the Chicago Bulls, have willfully acted brain dead on this issue for years, not caring a lick as its prideful and defensive-minded players are routinely booed by fans (that ones in attendance that know the names of only a few of those prideful, defensive-minded players) when the team fails to score 100 points. Sick of it all, it’s why Joakim Noah attempted a needless three-pointer at the end of a win over Orlando earlier this season and was widely criticized for acting in a situation he couldn’t possibly win. Sportsmanship, yeah, but it stinks to be booed after dominating a blowout win that saw you contribute 20 points and nine rebounds (even if Noah shouldn’t have been on the court at the end of that blowout).
                  The 76ers are more pro-active than Chicago, as one of their owners often converses with fans on Twitter. He sees the complaints, and he knows the game. Give burgers out all you want – but pair them with defensive benchmarks, instead of that uncreative 100-point barrier. NBA teams have to stop pushing their players and coaches into this position – a position that needlessly reminds them that even after two and a half hours of hard work, they’re more often regarded as entertainers instead of athletes.
                  Or fast-food deliverymen.
                  None of this helps Collins, though, who is on the hook for probably the heftiest fast food dinner in modern history, non-recreational drug use cases aside.

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                    Originally posted by Speed View Post
                    Shaun Livingston and Earl Barron cut lose by Washington, any interest?
                    We should sign Earl Barron so he stops owning our bigs every time we play the team he's on (e.g. Orlando).

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                      @HOOPSWORLD: Wizards to Sign Mack to Fill Open Roster Spot: The Washington Wizards will sign guard Shelvin Mack, who has been... http://t.co/rkFCMF0y
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        Originally posted by Speed View Post
                        Shaun Livingston and Earl Barron cut lose by Washington, any interest?
                        Wow, Livingston got cut.....and until AJ gets back, they still only have 1 pg. (Granted, at this point they should definitely be tanking. Not that they have to try.)

                        Livingston is likely an upgrade over DJ, just for the defense. And Livingston is pretty automatic in the midrange game. I'd consider it if I were the pacers.

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                          Rockets sign Patrick Beverly to a multi year deal I was a big fan of his in college I hope he does well. He would of been an upgrade here at the pg spot. Wonder who they will cut to make room? Royce White or Machado is my guess. Machado isn't ready yet but I would cut Ben and sign him instantly if that's what the Rockets do.
                          Last edited by pacer4ever; 12-23-2012, 08:15 PM.

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                            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                            Rockets sign Patrick Beverly to a multi year deal I was a big fan of his in college I hope he does well. He would of been an upgrade here at the pg spot. Wonder who they will cut to make room? Royce White or Machado is my guess. Machado isn't ready yet but I would cut Ben and sign him instantly if that's what the Rockets do.
                            That's the kid from the Hoop Dreams "update" or whatever right?

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                              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                              That's the kid from the Hoop Dreams "update" or whatever right?
                              Yes sir Hoops Reality it's on YouTube. I liked him a lot with the Hogs flat out scorer. I don't know how he fits with Harden though. I think he will be much better long term than Douglus. Also doesn't hurt he has been a beast in Russia. I expect him to have a long good career.

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                                I wanted us to get Livingston when he was cut by the Rockets, but he hasn't played well for the Wiz at all, and now he just got cut by the worst team in the league.

                                I wouldn't mind the Pacers giving him a look, but then I wouldn't mind them giving every D-League PG a look either...

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