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2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

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  • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
    The Rocket could be dangerous if they could get Zbo without giving him Parsons.
    They'd have to give them Parsons. The Grizz would trade ZBo for a 3 point shooter. So, they would probably ask for Parsons + Delfino + picks.

    Just my opinion, of course.
    Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
    Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

    Panopticon

    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
      Centers who do not average a double double consistently should not get max contracts.
      If he played for 36 minutes he would average a double double.

      Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
      He is without a doubt one of the main reasons we can not win on the road this season.
      Paul George is the reason we cannot win on the road. He is only shooting 26.2% from 3 on the road and that kills our spacing.
      Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
      Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

      Panopticon

      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
        How are you planning on getting out from under Green's GUARANTEED contract? If he's traded you have to take back the same in salary, unless you can get some team under the cap to take him, and I rate that probability at slim to next to none.

        Sure you have to take back salary, but not necessarily over three years. We can afford Green over two years (even double his salary), not the third though when all the key contracts come up. Based upon my recollection, CBA deals have to be within 40% now, so we could give up Green making $3.5M over three years and a filler salary and take back a similarily bad contract making appx. 6-8M over two years. We may pay more in total dollars, but we are free and clear the third year. The other teams pays less each year and in total dollars, but has a third year. It depends on each teams situation. Green is not vastly overpaid - I think there are a few teams out there still likely intrigued by his potential and could use him as a third wing. Based upon our financial circumstances and the fact we have three superior wings already, he's just not a good fit here.

        You don't think a team like the Kings would give us a bad contract like Salmons ($7-8M this year and next) for Green, filler, and a 2nd rounder? I do. They save money over the long haul and cap space this year and next.

        Caron Butler (2 years 8M) who is losing his minutes to Barnes on a LAC team desperate to shed LT salary for next year when CP3 and Blake are getting new deals. 3.5M vs 8.0M is a HUGE nut for them next year.

        Trevor Ariza, Klieza, Brandon Roy, Charlie Villenueva. There are plenty of equally terrible contracts making more on two year deals than Green over three. It's not as difficult as you think.

        Edit: I should have been more clear after reading my original post. I do not expect to straight salary dump Green, just look at options to shed that final year.
        Last edited by purdue101; 01-21-2013, 10:17 AM.

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        • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          I think all those guys are overpaid, Danny's injury and health issues makes him even more overpaid compared to the other players mentioned.

          Danny signed the contract before his 26ppg season by the way, he was averaging 19ppg at the time he signed.
          Or you could just call it "market value" seeing as how they're produce similiar and their paid similiar. You keep trying to use your personal reasoning, instead of the realizing what the actual market is/was.

          As someone pointed out in a different thread. ALL players are overpaid. The discussion is whether or not it's overpaid for the market, not whether they're just simply overpaid.
          ďJust because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.Ē ― Ricky Gervais.

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          • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
            Paul George is the reason we cannot win on the road. He is only shooting 26.2% from 3 on the road and that kills our spacing.
            besides that, Roy shoots a full 10.5% higher on the road

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            • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
              besides that, Roy shoots a full 10.5% higher on the road
              He scores more (on more FGA) and rebounds more at home but for whatever reason he mightily strugggles to shoot in Indiana.
              Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
              Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

              Panopticon

              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                Clay Bennett chairs the league's Relocation Committee. Gotta love this league.

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                  Another thing I like about Danny's return is that I am almost sure he will help us a lot with our road woes.
                  Danny can certainly be a BAMF. Won't forget the show he put up against the Wolves and Love last season. But it was those pills we were taking, right?


                  PS: Actually there is only one thing that I hate about Danny's game. Those mid range shots he takes in the midst of a fast break.
                  Never forget

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                  • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                    Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
                    Another thing I like about Danny's return is that I am almost sure he will help us a lot with our road woes.
                    That's where we miss Danny the most.
                    Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                    Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                    Panopticon

                    Originally posted by IrishPacer
                    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                    • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                      Originally posted by hackashaq View Post

                      If this happens, I think it all but seals that Shaw will get the head coaching gig there.

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                      • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                        I feel this is a bit misleading as a defense of Hibbert. You are giving him too much credit here. Hibbert made the allstar team by default. Most talked about player on a really good team that was putting up respectable numbers, given West and Granger had relatively off years.

                        Hibbert had 2 really bad offensive slumps last year, infact there were grumblings prior to the playoffs that the Pacers should let him walk in RFA. Hibbert did not have a very good playoffs, besides 1 game against the Magic that we actually lost if I recall. So really totally undeserving of the max contract, we totally overpaid by matching, and honestly the guy is barely squeaking by this year just cause he is playing high level defense and top 5 in blocked shots.

                        Centers who do not average a double double consistently should not get max contracts. Roy has a whole host of problems with this game. He gets knocked off the block, he brings the ball down too low on put backs, he gets knocked to the floor about 10 times a game.

                        Even though I like hibbert and hope he improves offensively to earn that contract. He is without a doubt the most overpaid player in the league right now. He is without a doubt one of the main reasons we can not win on the road this season.

                        Much of what you say I can't disagree with, you might want to check Biedrins contract, production, and PT.
                        Last edited by Justin Tyme; 01-21-2013, 12:13 PM.

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                        • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                          @HPbasketball: Cavs announce Anderson Varejao developed a blood clot last week and had to go on blood thinners. He's done for the year.
                          Horrible news.
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                            Scary.

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                              @stevekylerNBA: RT @windhorstespn: Cavs announce Anderson Varejao developed a blood clot in his lung after leg surgery & is currently recovering in hospital

                              Damn
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                              • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                                Peter
                                Hey Bill! Hope you had a great weekend My weekend was good, but it wouldíve been better if the Rockets won lol Rumor has it that Z-bo is on his way to Hou, but this was quickly shot down. Any chance that the Rockets can make a trade to shake things up? Their PF position is the weakest and desperately need help.
                                Bill Ingram
                                Thanks! Mine was good, as well! Yeah, not sure what to make of that ZBo rumor. I know the source and itís a good one, but it was apparently wrong. Iíve also heard Paul Millsapís name brought up in connection with Houston, but the concern is that if they wind up paying him big bucks next summer to keep him they will lose the flexibility to make the next Harden-like move. Same with trying to sign David West, who could be available next summer. There is no quick-fix for Houston, unfortunately.

                                Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-w...E2vxTb8o2Rs.99
                                Yep Houston is going to be all over West for some reason.
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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