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2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

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  • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

    Originally posted by shags View Post
    He's not collecting checks. The Rockets have been fining him for a couple months since he won't show up for anything. It'd actually cost them more money to cut him since his first two years are guaranteed.
    I believe they fined him at the start of the season, but that was only 1 game, 15k or something. A couple weeks ago there were talks that they would start fining him again unless he shows up for the D-League and he made a big deal out of it on twitter, but I've no idea how that ended. He should have plenty of money by now.

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      Heat signed Birdman to a 10 day

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...f=twitter_feed

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        Originally posted by CableKC View Post
        It looks more like Griffin saw the elbow coming...avoided it by moving his head / body back and then re-engaged Nene. This wasn't like the Bosh head-fake with Boozer where he went down like a bag of potatoes.
        That doesn't look like a flinch to me. It looks like a flop to me.

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          Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
          That doesn't look like a flinch to me. It looks like a flop to me.
          me too.

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          • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            The Pacers paid Market value for Hibbert.......they didn't bid against themselves like they did for Inferno or Foster ( if I recall correctly ) and paid more than they had to. Is it more than what you'd be comfortable paying? Given his current production...I'm guessing that you're answer is yes....but given the revelation about his wrist injury and that he hasn't faded into the background on the defensive end....would your answer be different if he was producing at the same level as last season?
            Yes the Pacers paid market value for Hibbert because they had no choice that is what I'm afraid of with West, a team like Houston or Atlanta are going to offer him some crazy contract and screw the Pacers.

            As for Granger, same thing here....at the time that he was paid....Granger was getting roughly the same amount....in other words, Market value....as Players in the same tier as he was ( Iggy and Deng ).
            You keep making my point "market value" is what made NY give Amare 20mil a year, "market value" is what gave Gilbert Arenas that ridiculous contract, paying "market value" doesn't stop a player for been overpay.

            For GH.....I agree it's debatable that he's overpaid......cuz it's possible that they were bidding against themselves....but I ( and my guess is others ) think that we are paying a good price for a Starting Quality PG. Sure, he's not in the same league as DWill, Westbrook or CP3...heck, not even in the same tier as Jrue Holiday....but given that he's running the offense the way that Vogel wants to, all the intangilbles and the defense.....I'm okay with what he was paid.
            I'm OK with Hill's contract because I'm a Hill fan but that doesn't stop me for thinking that he is a bit overpay, like I said before you can only have so many overpay players, it's even worse if you are an small market team, just look what OKC had to do because they are over the quote of overpay players.

            For Hansbrough...as someone pointed out....he's on a Rookie Contract.
            Rookie contract or not somebody can be overpay, 4mil for Tyler is a lot, remember that I am also a Tyler Hansbrough fan.

            As for DJ and Green, I'm not going to disagree there.
            Here is the part that I'm worry about
            (much like they did when they matched Portlandís offer for Roy Hibbert).
            remember the time we thought nobody was going to offer Hibbert the kind of contract he got? how is that working out? yes his D is good but his offense has been horrible and for the money he is making he needs to be scoring way more than what he is scoring right now.
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            • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

              The only thing I'm seeing is 'they're overpaid because the team won't have the cap space to pay everybody'. You have identified the following eight (8) Pacers as being overpaid:

              1. David West
              2. Danny Granger
              3. Roy Hibbert
              4. George Hill
              5. Ian Mahinmi
              6. Gerald Green
              7. Tyler Hansbrough
              8. DJ Augustin

              Going player by player, one at a time, what is your standard or criteria for describing each of them individually as overpaid?

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                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                Joey aint played I paused a bit and just got to the 1 min in the 3rd. I just wouldnt talk if Joey is reffing LO just cost him self 3k because Joey is in rare form you gotta be smarter when Joey is in this kind of mode.

                Nene did LOL at Joey after that delay of game, but with that smile I dont think Joey cared lol.


                in other news CP3 has the ball on a string tonight and that fast break Blake griffin ran was Webber esk that is why basketball players are the best athletes on the planet that lay was just silly.

                Joey's worse than a WNBA ref. And there aren't many refs I'll say are worse than a WNBA ref. As hilarious as he was last night. What was it, 4 Techs two warnings and a delay of game and a bunch of terrible calls. And the funniest bit was it wasn't even a chippy game. It was physical but not in a dirty way..and most of the players just kept looking at each other like "WTF?"

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                  so find a roster full of diamonds in the rough you can get cheaply and convince to play in Indiana and win a title with them. that easy guys.

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                    nice start by the Raptors.

                    AAron Gray at center

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                      Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
                      The only thing I'm seeing is 'they're overpaid because the team won't have the cap space to pay everybody'. You have identified the following eight (8) Pacers as being overpaid:
                      1. David West
                      David West is not overpay this year 10mil is fine for him, I expect him to get way more than that next year making him overpay.

                      2. Danny Granger
                      Danny has been overpay for few years now, he is in the same category of overpay players like Iguadola, Deng and Gay, maybe not overpay by much when healthy (3/4mil) but overpay still.

                      3. Roy Hibbert
                      9.7 and 8 for a guy that is making 14mil a year for the next 4 years? I love Roy but he is becoming one of the must overpay players in the league, hopefully he gets better, and like I said before I think it was the right decision to overpay for him.

                      4. George Hill
                      I love Hill but the Pacers made a mistake in not letting the market set the price, guys like Felton, DJ, Hinrich and others were free agents, I think he is getting overpay for like 3mil, similar players(Felton, Hinrich, Jarret Jack) are making way less.

                      5. Ian Mahinmi
                      I compare Ian's salary and productivity with other backups and my problem with Ian is not that he is making 4mil a year but that he is making them for the next 4 years, those 4 millions are going to hurt the Pacers when is time to resign Danny, West, Paul George and Lance, I guess I'm not a fan of paying a backup that kind of money if that backup doesn't bring an specialty, Ian to me is not the difference between winning a championship or not.

                      6. Gerald Green
                      Why no sign Barbosa for vet minimum instead of signing this guy? no only he is making 3 millions but he is making them for the next 3 years, the guy needs to be in the D league.

                      7. Tyler Hansbrough
                      4mil is a lot for Tyler and I love the guy.

                      8. DJ Augustin
                      Overpay but thanks god is only for one year.

                      Going player by player, one at a time, what is your standard or criteria for describing each of them individually as overpaid?
                      My way to find out if a player is overpay or not is to compare them to similar players in the NBA, call it looking at "the green grass" or whatever, like I said before I believe that a team can have no more than 4 overpay players, an small market team doesn't have the luxury to overpay players, at this moment on the Pacers the only players that are producing over their salaries and are underpay in a way are West(this year), Paul George(rookie salary), Lance(second round contract), after that you look at the whole team and is hard to find a player that is over performing to his salary.




                      Note that I'm looking to have a good conversation so those that feel the need to make smart a** comments please stay away, thanks.
                      Last edited by vnzla81; 01-20-2013, 02:57 PM.
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                      • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                        so find a roster full of diamonds in the rough you can get cheaply and convince to play in Indiana and win a title with them. that easy guys.
                        Not what I said, good job in not bringing anything to the conversation.
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                        • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                          So your statement about overpaying again for West was not saying he is being overpaid now, it's just that you feel the team has a history of overpaying players and that with West they will overpay upon re-signing.

                          Okay that statement and sentiment I can live with.


                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan

                            Dwight Howard has been ejected twice in last three weeks after never being ejected before that. #trendingdown #Lakers

                            The LOLakers continue.
                            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                            "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                            • Re: 2012-13 NBA Random Thoughts Thread IX: Ode to Joy

                              Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                              Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan

                              Dwight Howard has been ejected twice in last three weeks after never being ejected before that. #trendingdown #Lakers

                              The LOLakers continue.
                              Watch them come back and win the game with Howard in the locker room.
                              #DBAP

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                                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                                So your statement about overpaying again for West was not saying he is being overpaid now, it's just that you feel the team has a history of overpaying players and that with West they will overpay upon re-signing.

                                Okay that statement and sentiment I can live with.
                                Yes that is what I'm trying to say, I believe that a team like Houston that loves to screw teams is going to come up with some crazy way to pay West leaving the Pacers with no other choice but to match and if that happens your guy Danny Granger is probably gone.
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