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Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

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  • #31
    Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
    And to think that last summer Vnlza thought Nene's 14/8 was good enough to get a max contract. Now Hibbert's 13/9 "aren't that great."
    And Hibbert at 13/9 got the max .....
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    • #32
      Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      And Hibbert at 13/9 got the max .....
      My point has nothing to do with the dollar amount they're being paid, but rather is that when a player you want puts up 14/8, the Pacers should do anything and everything to get their services and when a Pacer player puts up pretty much identical production, you're dismissive of the Pacer player.
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      • #33
        Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

        I want Paul George to be an All-Star as well. Roy may not be a guarantee, but I think he's got a better than even chance to return to the ASG. Two All Stars (Roy, PG), plus two former All Stars (Danny, West), plus one of the most well-rounded players in the league (Hill) making up our starting five? Yeah, that sounds good to me.

        Not that it hasn't been said, but I feel like the importance of the USA Select Team experience can't be understated for PG. He knew his performance in the playoffs wouldn't cut it, and he was given the opportunity to see how the world's best practice, prepare, and play; and I think he really tried to take advantage of that and use it to improve his game. I'm excited to see his progress this season. And like Shaw told him, the team's progress will likely mirror his personal progress.
        It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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        • #34
          Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          My point has nothing to do with the dollar amount they're being paid, but rather is that when a player you want puts up 14/8, the Pacers should do anything and everything to get their services and when a Pacer player puts up pretty much identical production, you're dismissive of the Pacer player.
          I'm not dismissing anything, all I'm saying is that his numbers along are not going to put him over guys that have better numbers, it's not a giving that he is going to be an all star.
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          • #35
            Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

            No crap it's not a given he's going to be an All-Star. But pointing out that you think Nene's 14/8 is max worthy while Hibberts 13/9 "isn't that great" paints a pefect picture of how you compare non-Pacers with Pacers. You have a classic "grass is always greener on the other side" POV.
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            • #36
              Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              No crap it's not a given he's going to be an All-Star. But pointing out that you think Nene's 14/8 is max worthy while Hibberts 13/9 "isn't that great" paints a pefect picture of how you compare non-Pacers with Pacers. You have a classic "grass is always greener on the other side" POV.
              I'm done arguing with you, once again you don't understand what I'm talking about.
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              • #37
                Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                Just out of curiosity what makes it impossible for Roy to maybe win the fan vote? He has been in the national news this summer.
                Roy is a well liked guy, but that will mean nothing compared to the giant bandwagon/Heat fanbase. Or even Philly if Bynum has a big year. Both players have much much bigger names than Roy.
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                • #38
                  Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                  Our best player will have a good chance to make the A game, anyone else I doubt it.

                  Don't really care about it. Didn't even watched it last year. George making statements like these excites me a lot though. You the Man Paul!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                    Originally posted by Pace Maker View Post
                    Roy is a well liked guy, but that will mean nothing compared to the giant bandwagon/Heat fanbase. Or even Philly if Bynum has a big year. Both players have much much bigger names than Roy.


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                    • #40
                      Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      No crap it's not a given he's going to be an All-Star. But pointing out that you think Nene's 14/8 is max worthy while Hibberts 13/9 "isn't that great" paints a pefect picture of how you compare non-Pacers with Pacers. You have a classic "grass is always greener on the other side" POV.
                      If you're a center having numbers that aren't that great are good enough to get you a max contract

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                      • #41
                        Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        13 and 9 basically with 2 blocks isn't shabby either. His defense is way underrated on this board for some bizarre reason. I agree it's not a walk in the park for Roy to get back, but I also think he's the favorite for one of the 2 spots at the moment.
                        I think Tyson Chandler is pretty much a shoe-in for the coaches pick, considering he was snubbed last year. We've seen make up votes before. If he has a half decent healthy season, and the Knicks don't blow, he's an All Star.
                        So if Bynum is the starter, Chandler will be the backup imo.

                        Now the last two spots... idk. those are a crap shoot since anyone can be there regardless of position.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          Just out of curiosity what makes it impossible for Roy to maybe win the fan vote? He has been in the national news this summer.
                          Hes not a superstar or teammate of. The all star game might as well be Celtics/Heat/Nets/Bulls stars vs LAC/LAL/OKC/SAS stars and Dirk every year.
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                          • #43
                            Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                            George watching the Heat series 7 or 8 times must have hurt in a good way, like growing pains. I've blocked out everything after game 3 and avoid it at all cost.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                              At C, barring an injury to Bosh or Bynum, Hibbert's chances of making the All Star team are slim to none...

                              At SG, Wade is a lock to start, so it comes down to Johnson, Ellis, or George for the bench spot (unless one of the rookies, Beal, Waiters, or Ross has a huge season). Johnson will likely be on a really good team that gets a lot of attention with Brooklyn, but his numbers are declining as his age is rising. Ellis will be on a fringe playoff team without much exposure in Mil, but might get some sympathy votes due to his continual All Star "snubs". George, like Johnson is likely to be on a really good team, but like Ellis will not get much exposure.

                              There is also the chance that Hibbert or George could get one or both of the wildcard spots, but I just don't see them having a 3rd C on the All Star team, espcially concidering the type of game it is and the fact that Hibbert is likely not gonna be putting up the kind of eye catching numbers his competition is. As for George, I do think he has a decent shot at making it either as the backup SG or more likely one of the wildcards if he can score 16+ points a game and continue to have a strong impact on the other areas of the game, a la Iggy.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Paul George "I want to be an All-Star"

                                Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
                                At C, barring an injury to Bosh or Bynum, Hibbert's chances of making the All Star team are slim to none...

                                At SG, Wade is a lock to start, so it comes down to Johnson, Ellis, or George for the bench spot (unless one of the rookies, Beal, Waiters, or Ross has a huge season). Johnson will likely be on a really good team that gets a lot of attention with Brooklyn, but his numbers are declining as his age is rising. Ellis will be on a fringe playoff team without much exposure in Mil, but might get some sympathy votes due to his continual All Star "snubs". George, like Johnson is likely to be on a really good team, but like Ellis will not get much exposure.

                                There is also the chance that Hibbert or George could get one or both of the wildcard spots, but I just don't see them having a 3rd C on the All Star team, espcially concidering the type of game it is and the fact that Hibbert is likely not gonna be putting up the kind of eye catching numbers his competition is. As for George, I do think he has a decent shot at making it either as the backup SG or more likely one of the wildcards if he can score 16+ points a game and continue to have a strong impact on the other areas of the game, a la Iggy.
                                keep in mind, fans and coaches vote for 'guards', not SG. And then there are 2 wildcards.
                                With Rose out, I think the starters are DWill and Wade.

                                Then you have Rondo.
                                Joe Johnson who I think will be fine. He's a decent creator but he was asked to do way too much for most of his Atlanta years; you could see an improvement last year with Teague and Smith taking some of the burden of creating the offense. Now imagine what DWill can do for him.
                                Kyrie Irving will get a big push.

                                These are the main contenders imo. 5 guys for 4 spots.

                                Then you have outside shots like Kyle Lowry. If Toronto improves by 10+ wins (very likely imo) I think he'll get consideration.
                                John Wall will be running a better team. The Wizards finished last year very well, and they've added talent since.
                                Milwaukee duo.

                                It will be very hard to get one of the 4 'guard' spots. Wild card seems a bit more likely.

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