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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • Gerald Green

    Everytime I hear Gerald Green , I can't help but think how humble and greatful he sounds. It will be so easy to cheer for him. His outlook and attitude is so refreshing and hopefully other young players learn from his experience.

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    I know, right? I was so struck by it I tweeted about it... then coincidentally a moment later Chris Denari checked his feed and read my tweet on the live stream about how passionate he seems. He just seems so grateful to be here. I'm happy for him. You know he's going to give us everything he can.

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      Re: Gerald Green

      I really am glad he has turned a corner. Or so it seems *Knock on wood*. And glad we will be the ones to reap the benefits.

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        Re: Gerald Green

        Last edited by Kemo; 10-01-2012, 06:21 PM.
        "They want to be famous. We want to be champions. They want to be rappers and backup dancers. We want to play football." - T.J. Ward, Denver Broncos

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          Re: Gerald Green

          "They want to be famous. We want to be champions. They want to be rappers and backup dancers. We want to play football." - T.J. Ward, Denver Broncos

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            Re: Gerald Green

            Little but interesting factoid I found about Green on the Star:

            Green was the 2007 NBA Slam Dunk champion despite not being able to palm a basketball. He lost much of his right ring finger when he was 11 in a freak accident while trying to dunk on a child's rim.


            I never noticed this, anyone who got to see him noticed he's missing part of a finger? You mean to tell me he dunks like that without being able to palm a ball?

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            • #7
              Re: Gerald Green

              Originally posted by Marlin View Post
              Little but interesting factoid I found about Green on the Star:

              Green was the 2007 NBA Slam Dunk champion despite not being able to palm a basketball. He lost much of his right ring finger when he was 11 in a freak accident while trying to dunk on a child's rim.


              I never noticed this, anyone who got to see him noticed he's missing part of a finger? You mean to tell me he dunks like that without being able to palm a ball?
              He may still be able to palm the ball with the rest of his fingers, but he's definitely missing part of it. If you watch his hand while he's just running or walking or standing, you can see the obvious gap between his middle and pink fingers.



              Truth!

              I think Gerald is going to be heavily loved by PacerNation this year. And I think he's going to push for either 6th Man or Most Improved. Making him the focus of the offense off the bench is going to be wonderful. I am SO glad I campaigned for him to get signed. I love this guy.
              witters: @imbtyler, @postgameonline

              Originally posted by Day-V
              In conclusion, Paul George is awesome.
              Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
              Our arena, their arena, Rucker park, it just doesn't matter. We're bigger, longer, younger, faster, and hungrier.


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                Re: Gerald Green

                Also, this is from tonight:

                witters: @imbtyler, @postgameonline

                Originally posted by Day-V
                In conclusion, Paul George is awesome.
                Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
                Our arena, their arena, Rucker park, it just doesn't matter. We're bigger, longer, younger, faster, and hungrier.


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                • #9
                  Re: Gerald Green

                  Originally posted by imbtyler View Post
                  He may still be able to palm the ball with the rest of his fingers, but he's definitely missing part of it. If you watch his hand while he's just running or walking or standing, you can see the obvious gap between his middle and pink fingers.



                  Truth!

                  I think Gerald is going to be heavily loved by PacerNation this year. And I think he's going to push for either 6th Man or Most Improved. Making him the focus of the offense off the bench is going to be wonderful. I am SO glad I campaigned for him to get signed. I love this guy.
                  Man, I never noticed it, thanks. Guess I have to watch him more accurately
                  It's got to be very strange, I can't imagine handling a ball without my ring finger, let alone shoot it or dunk it. I'm sure he's accustomed to it by now, but there still has to be some loss of sensibility there. Props to him for overcoming that issue.

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                    Re: Gerald Green

                    I wonder how true-to-life accurate nba2k13 is on player models .. Now I'm gonna have to see if they have Green missing half of his finger in-game .. Now I'm curious to find out... lol
                    "They want to be famous. We want to be champions. They want to be rappers and backup dancers. We want to play football." - T.J. Ward, Denver Broncos

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                    • #11
                      Re: Gerald Green

                      Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                      James "Flight" White FTW!

                      At my age I'm surprised I still get excited about dunk contests but that 2-handed dunk from the free throw line by Flight was ridiculous! One of the top 3 dunks I've ever seen! He even had the nerve to double-clutch it. I wonder if Gerald or Paul George can pull that off?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Gerald Green

                        Conrad Brunner has a nice article on Green.
                        http://blogs.1070thefan.com/2012/10/...e-last-chance/

                        When you’ve played in what amounts to basketball Siberia for the better part of three years, you have some stories. Gerald Green has plenty but, at least for the time being, he’s keeping them to himself.

                        “There’s just so many,” he said, shaking his head. “There’s a lot of stories I wouldn’t want to say because I wouldn’t want anybody to judge me. “

                        When you’re 26 years old and already have played for six NBA teams, two in Russia, one in China and one in the D-League, there also has been no shortage of judgment in your life, most of it unfavorable.

                        “You get high school kids who have no idea what this is all about, who have been lauded for how great they are,” said Pacers President Donnie Walsh. “They come in the league and they think they can play the way they did in high school and it takes awhile for them to realize, ‘No you can’t.’ ”

                        The realization has come for Green. The 6-8 swingman has created quite a buzz in Indiana’s training camp not only with his knack for spectacular plays but for his professionalism, unselfishness and – wait for it – maturity.

                        “The light went on,” Walsh said. “He had to go to China and Russia and one day he said to me he was looking in the mirror and said, ‘The next time I get a chance at the NBA I’m going to do whatever they tell me because I can’t be here any more. I want to be there.’ And he made good on it.”

                        Green scored 18 points in 27 minutes in the Pacers’ 96-91 victory over Minnesota Friday in Bankers Life Fieldhouse, playing a key role in the team’s game-turning 19-0 run in the fourth quarter. He also contributed six rebounds, four assists and two steals.

                        With three more preseason games this week, beginning Tuesday at home against Atlanta, Green will have ample opportunity to both demonstrate and measure his progress. The Pacers have been moving cautiously with Danny Granger and his sore knee, which creates plenty of opportunity for Green.

                        Through all the travels and travails, he believed he would get one more chance and pledged to make it stick. He started last season in China, was in training camp with the Lakers, wound up starring in the D-League and signed with the Nets. In 31 games, he averaged 12.9 points, shot 39 percent from the 3-point line and beyond the numbers showed he was ready to become not just a player but a teammate.

                        While the Nets made huge moves during the offseason, they quietly hoped to hang onto Green but the Pacers snatched him away as a free agent. And now, expected to play a key role off the bench on a team projected to contend for one of the top seeds in the Eastern Conference, Green has the chance he has been craving – and ultimately earned.

                        “I had to prove to myself, ‘Can I get back?’” he said. “I was reading a lot of the stuff people were saying about me about being a bust, how I’d never get back. Maybe that stuff was true but I never thought that. In my mind, I never thought I was a bust. I always thought I could play. When I did have the opportunity, I didn’t apply myself right.

                        “So I always thought the next time I got an opportunity, I’m going to apply myself the best I can and I’m not going to let it pass. That’s why I was a bust because when I had my chance I didn’t do anything with it.”

                        Like Granger, Green entered the 2005 NBA Draft with high hopes of being a lottery pick. Like Granger, he experienced the disappointment of sliding down the board. The Pacers took Granger at No. 17. Green went next to Boston.

                        Though Green put up respectable numbers with the Celtics, he was a wild colt, never fitting in. He was traded to Minnesota, traded to Houston, cut, and then signed by Dallas in 2008-09. When the Mavs let him go, Green headed overseas, where the hard lessons began.

                        “Things happen for a reason. The reason I went overseas, I guess it happened for me to get better and get to find myself again,” he said. “Once you’re a professional, sometimes you might not be as talented but you work hard every day at your game. You do the little things to make you better, watch film, get treatment on your body, eat healthy, get enough sleep, the things that make you mentally better and prepare you for the game.

                        “When somebody’s talented, they don’t necessarily need to do all that stuff. They can go work out a couple times and go out and give a guy 40 points. I’ve seen it happen many times. To me, that’s the difference between having talent and being professional. I need to work at both levels, I need to work on my skill level because I’m definitely not as skilled as a lot of guys and I need to be a better professional. Going overseas, I learned to do both.”

                        Bankers Life Fieldhouse may not look like the promised land but you’d be hard-pressed to convince Green otherwise. If he did not appreciate what it meant to be a professional in 2005, he surely does now.

                        He also appreciates a man only gets so many chances in life, and this just might be his last.

                        “Just from me being in Russia, being in China, being all over the place, for me it’s an amazing journey because a lot of people in life don’t get second chances,” Green said. “You know that, I know that, a lot of people in the world know that. By me getting a second chance in the best league in the world, that’s an amazing story in itself.”

                        It’ll do, for now.
                        Last edited by Strummer; 10-17-2012, 01:35 PM. Reason: Made the link more obvious.

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                          Re: Gerald Green

                          Needs a link or we'll have to remove it.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            Re: Gerald Green

                            Originally posted by BillS View Post
                            Needs a link or we'll have to remove it.
                            Me? It has a link, the word "article". Maybe that was too subtle.

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                              Re: Gerald Green

                              Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                              Me? It has a link, the word "article". Maybe that was too subtle.
                              Ahh, sorry. My browser colors don't highlight those very well. It's why I use explicit links.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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