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Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

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  • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

    I mean there's not a whole lot you can do when LBJ and Wade are hitting 15 foot contested runners every time down the court. You just have tip your hat and say GG. That's what changed the series in a big way on the court. Wade and Lebron added that move to their arsenal basically between game 2 and 4 (using game 3 as an adjustment period where it went horribly wrong for them)


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    • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

      What seems to be being missed here, and I admit I didn't read every post, is that our starters only play 28-32 minutes a game. Superstars tend to play 38-42. That's 10 minutes a game more. It doesn't really matter if for 30 minutes our starting crew is the best 5 in the world, which I don't think they are - but for the sake of argument let's say it's true, when other team's best players play 10 more minutes than ours.

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      • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

        Originally posted by Dece View Post
        What seems to be being missed here, and I admit I didn't read every post, is that our starters only play 28-32 minutes a game. Superstars tend to play 38-42. That's 10 minutes a game more. It doesn't really matter if for 30 minutes our starting crew is the best 5 in the world, which I don't think they are - but for the sake of argument let's say it's true, when other team's best players play 10 more minutes than ours.
        They played more in that series. DG and DW played around 38-40.
        "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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        • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          I mean there's not a whole lot you can do when LBJ and Wade are hitting 15 foot contested runners every time down the court. You just have tip your hat and say GG. That's what changed the series in a big way on the court. Wade and Lebron added that move to their arsenal basically between game 2 and 4 (using game 3 as an adjustment period where it went horribly wrong for them)
          Well, yes, you can answer with points on your own next possession. Where the bench fell down was in not being able to at least answer part of the time during a run, and where the starters fell down was in not being able to do more than keep up with the scoring when they were in.

          Ultimately, it doesn't matter who gets the points, it's team points per possession that counts. DW and LBJ can be point machines, but if the Pacers can manufacture points through aggressive play (drawing fouls), and taking advantage of mismatches away from the superstars when such are available, they have a chance. Would it be easier if there was a matching DW and LBJ on our team? Of course, but it doesn't mean that the lack of same creates an impossible situation, only a very tough one.
          BillS

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          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

            [QUOTE=OlBlu;1503817]
            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
            Advanced statistics say so:

            Then you have an example to show just how silly statistics can be. Your statistical top starting five can't play with many teams in the league. That is the power of superstars, they trump balanced teams just about every time..... If you have watching the NBA for a number of years you should already know this.

            It can be done. The Pacers can beat any team in the league. They have to be able to put 4 games of that together.
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            • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

              Game 1: 3 starters played less than 30 minutes.
              Game 2: 33 minutes Roy Hibbert, Paul George, 35 minutes George Hill to 43 minutes Lebron James
              Game 3: 33 minutes Hibbert, Hill, George to 40 minutes Lebron James
              Game 4: 28 minutes West, 30 Hill, 32 Hibbert to 44 minutes Lebron, 41 minutes Wade
              Game 5: 4 starters under 30 minutes, West at 32.
              Game 6: Win or go home, the only game our starters played near the minutes of their big guns, we still lose.

              So no, our starters aren't on the floor enough, not even in the playoffs. Over half of our starting unit almost never goes over 33 minutes, we frequently have starters clock in under 30. Even in the playoffs. That's not gonna get it done unless you truly do have the best bench, reality is, I'd rather my best players on the floor longer, we need more endurance out of Hibbert and more trust in (and less fouling from) PG/GH so they can stay out there longer.

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              • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                And the champion the Pacers are trying to emulate, the 2004 Detroit Pistons, all had their starters play significant minutes in the playoffs. Hamilton and Ben Wallace averaged 40, Billups 38, and Sheed and Prince 35 (including 4 overtime periods in 23 games). That's higher than the regular season averages of 38 (Ben), 35 (Hamilton and Billups), 33 (Prince), and 31 (Sheed).

                For the Pacers, Granger and West averaged significantly more during the playoffs (especially West). George did as well, as did Hill, although his stats are skewed because he didn't start until the end of the season. The biggest concern should be, and I think is, Hibbert, who went up 1 minute per game in the playoffs (30 to 31). He needs to be able to effectively play 35 minutes a night in the playoffs. If he can't, that really hurts, because it's a good downgrade from him to Mahinmi.
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                • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                  Originally posted by shags View Post
                  And the champion the Pacers are trying to emulate, the 2004 Detroit Pistons, all had their starters play significant minutes in the playoffs. Hamilton and Ben Wallace averaged 40, Billups 38, and Sheed and Prince 35 (including 4 overtime periods in 23 games). That's higher than the regular season averages of 38 (Ben), 35 (Hamilton and Billups), 33 (Prince), and 31 (Sheed).

                  For the Pacers, Granger and West averaged significantly more during the playoffs (especially West). George did as well, as did Hill, although his stats are skewed because he didn't start until the end of the season. The biggest concern should be, and I think is, Hibbert, who went up 1 minute per game in the playoffs (30 to 31). He needs to be able to effectively play 35 minutes a night in the playoffs. If he can't, that really hurts, because it's a good downgrade from him to Mahinmi.
                  Hibberts problem is because Granger and George kept getting burned he kept getting put in bad positions when the guys penetrated. Hopefully better team defense can keep Hibbert in the game. Because as we all know. We won the game when Hibbert was on the court.

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                  • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                    LeBron could also play all of those minutes because they almost never called him for any fouls...

                    He was called for 5 fouls in six games played against us! Playing over 40 MPG! I know he's a great defender... But he ain't that good...
                    Last edited by J7F; 09-28-2012, 01:05 AM.
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                    • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                      Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                      Hibberts problem is because Granger and George kept getting burned he kept getting put in bad positions when the guys penetrated. Hopefully better team defense can keep Hibbert in the game. Because as we all know. We won the game when Hibbert was on the court.
                      NOBODY is keeping Wade and Lebron from getting drawing fouls and getting to the line, idc how good of a defender you are. Yes Roy had some foul trouble from time to time, but he also has a well documented cardiovascular issue where he can't play extended mins all the time. Obviously Roy puts in the work to battle that as much as he can, but nobody knows if he'll ever be able to play 33-35 mins a game in a series.

                      And this isn't to say that Granger and Paul played great D on those guys, but to expect them to shut those guys down is almost out of the question. The best thing you can do is play them tough and hope the refs allow physical play on both ends. You also can't let the other guys (Haslem, Battier) hit shots on you

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                      • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                        Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                        NOBODY is keeping Wade and Lebron from getting drawing fouls and getting to the line, idc how good of a defender you are. Yes Roy had some foul trouble from time to time, but he also has a well documented cardiovascular issue where he can't play extended mins all the time. Obviously Roy puts in the work to battle that as much as he can, but nobody knows if he'll ever be able to play 33-35 mins a game in a series.

                        And this isn't to say that Granger and Paul played great D on those guys, but to expect them to shut those guys down is almost out of the question. The best thing you can do is play them tough and hope the refs allow physical play on both ends. You also can't let the other guys (Haslem, Battier) hit shots on you
                        Wow cool your jets. I never said you had to shut down Lebron or Wade. We just need to play better defense on them, so that they can't just penetrate at will.

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                        • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                          Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                          Wow cool your jets. I never said you had to shut down Lebron or Wade. We just need to play better defense on them, so that they can't just penetrate at will.
                          Add to that forcing them to work harder on defense by bricking fewer shots...
                          BillS

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                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                            Originally posted by J7F View Post
                            LeBron could also play all of those minutes because they almost never called him for any fouls...

                            He was called for 5 fouls in six games played against us! Playing over 40 MPG! I know he's a great defender... But he ain't that good...
                            Danny jacking up shots didn't put any pressure on Lebron to draw fouls.
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                            • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                              Originally posted by J7F View Post
                              LeBron could also play all of those minutes because they almost never called him for any fouls...

                              He was called for 5 fouls in six games played against us! Playing over 40 MPG! I know he's a great defender... But he ain't that good...
                              He is when he is playing against a team that does not penetrate but only forces long jump shots... He could defend them for a week without fouling.... If you want to get fouls on him, take him inside. We don't have anyone who can do that...... ...

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                              • Re: Why the Pacers will win the NBA Championship next year

                                Originally posted by GrangeRusHibbert View Post
                                Just one of Wade or LeBron suffering a season-ending injury would make Miami beatable. We can take Boston Senior Citizens with relative ease, so we're one lucky injury away from being the front-runners in the East. We'd then have to pull the upset in the Finals.

                                The Lakers look like monsters on paper, but the games aren't played on paper. Detroit proved superstarless teams can beat on-paper champions back in '04. It would take great chemistry and caching, but it can be done.
                                And we're one injury away from not even going to the playoffs. I don't see how we could use this as a beacon of hope let alone even mentioning lebron getting a season ending injury which is most likely not going to hapen since he's the complete opposite of injury prone.

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