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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

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  • #31
    Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

    Hill, because I understand that he's going to focus on just one of the guard positions. He's been pretty good as a combo guard playing PG, but I expect him to be a better PG when he focuses on that position.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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    • #32
      Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      Why would Tyler suddenly improve now? The guy has been the same exact player since he was 21.
      I see what you're saying, and I'd normally agree with you - a player that hasn't shown progress in six seasons should not be counted on to improve in his seventh. However, where I would disagree in Tyler's specific case, is that he hasn't really had to improve until now. His accomplishments at UNC made him one of the best college players of all-time and, after a vertigo-shortened rookie year, he had a pretty decent sophomore season. After this past season, he needs to change and improve his game to continue an NBA career. Will he do it? I wouldn't bet on it, but I could see it as a possibility.

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      • #33
        Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

        I thought it might be Tyler, but then I ran the idea through my calculator.

        The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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        • #34
          Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

          Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
          I thought it might be Tyler, but then I ran the idea through my calculator.


          Love it.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #35
            Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

            People think Tyler doesn't work hard enough in the off season? He's always struck me as just the opposite. The kinda guy that works very hard and gets the most out of his abilities. We all just wish he had more abilities.

            Here's the reason I want Tyler to make a big improvement this year. After this season he's an RFA while West is a FA. I don't see much chance of us re-signing both of them.

            The ideal situation is for Tyler to blossom so we can let West walk. Then use West's money to extend Tyler, re-sign DJ and have some left over for Paul George the next year.

            I've got my fingers crossed that Tyler takes a big step this year.

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            • #36
              Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

              Originally posted by Strummer View Post
              People think Tyler doesn't work hard enough in the off season? He's always struck me as just the opposite. The kinda guy that works very hard and gets the most out of his abilities. We all just wish he had more abilities.

              Here's the reason I want Tyler to make a big improvement this year. After this season he's an RFA while West is a FA. I don't see much chance of us re-signing both of them.

              The ideal situation is for Tyler to blossom so we can let West walk. Then use West's money to extend Tyler, re-sign DJ and have some left over for Paul George the next year.

              I've got my fingers crossed that Tyler takes a big step this year.
              I never said he doesn't work hard, but rather, he might be working hard toward a misguided direction. It's like working your butt off with no end goal in mind. Why hasn't he started shooting the ball with more arc? Has nobody told him that his jumper is too flat? Ican't imagine they haven't. Has no one told him or shown him how he needs to play effectively given his skill set against better competition than pick-up games that he can dominate? How does that help him? Why does David West have a similar skill set and be 100 times more effective than Tyler? Does Tyler not work on a floater? It would be a perfect shot for him to perfect working down from the high post. He struggles by getting too far under the basket and looking up to the trees that he can't shoot over. I really like Tyler. I love his hustle. I just don't understand how he hasn't worked on the most obvious things that could help his game out. I'm a freaking novice and I see it.
              "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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              • #37
                Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                I hope for Tyler to have a breakout too. What I saw last year sort of scared me however... it wasn't a lack of trying or hard work. It was an almost myopic intent of shooting an inaccurate jumper or going 1-on-4 in the paint and very little offensive cohesion, as in kicking the ball out after a rebound or any time really. It was more of a mental thing. He's gotta change his mentality and focus on making the proper play, and also he needs to rebound the ball way better. He's got a good physique for rebounding, and just doesn't utilize it 100%. His focus last year was just not where it should be.

                This coming from a big Hansbrough fan, hell he's my avatar.
                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                • #38
                  Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                  Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                  People think Tyler doesn't work hard enough in the off season? He's always struck me as just the opposite. The kinda guy that works very hard and gets the most out of his abilities. We all just wish he had more abilities.

                  Here's the reason I want Tyler to make a big improvement this year. After this season he's an RFA while West is a FA. I don't see much chance of us re-signing both of them.

                  The ideal situation is for Tyler to blossom so we can let West walk. Then use West's money to extend Tyler, re-sign DJ and have some left over for Paul George the next year.

                  I've got my fingers crossed that Tyler takes a big step this year.
                  One more year of West and I think he's going to be stuck to everything in Pacerland like glue, and I mean that in a good way. At this point, his toughness is too important and is currently not duplicated any where else on the roster. So of that money you just spent, you didn't spend any of it on toughness. I'd rather keep David and let all three of those guys walk (I don't really think we'd have to let Paul George walk anyway.)
                  Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                  Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                  Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                  Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                  And life itself, rushing over me
                  Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                  Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                  • #39
                    Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                    Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                    His effective FG% on jump shots was .408 two seasons ago.

                    Obviously significantly better than last year's .326 but not exactly "money".

                    He shot it a ton both years so you remember more makes two seasons ago but the rate of makes to misses was still really poor.
                    He did shoot a respectable 43% from midrange (16' to 23') in 2010-11, which placed him 2nd on the team behind Dahntay Jones (who shot 49% from that region, but on a small sample size). 3rd on the team if you count West's 47% which he put up in NO.

                    Data from this old (but still good) 8p9s post: http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.co...nd-cold-spots/

                    Too bad they haven't done a similar post for 2011-12 yet. Hollinger's report mentioned that Roy lead the league in shooting % in the 3' to 15' area (with 47.9%, up from 40.7% the year before), so that would be nice to see.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                      Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                      He did shoot a respectable 43% from midrange (16' to 23') in 2010-11, which placed him 2nd on the team behind Dahntay Jones (who shot 49% from that region, but on a small sample size). 3rd on the team if you count West's 47% which he put up in NO.

                      Data from this old (but still good) 8p9s post: http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.co...nd-cold-spots/

                      Too bad they haven't done a similar post for 2011-12 yet. Hollinger's report mentioned that Roy lead the league in shooting % in the 3' to 15' area (with 47.9%, up from 40.7% the year before), so that would be nice to see.
                      http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.as...12&gp=0&mins=0
                      "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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                      • #41
                        Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                        There seems to be two kinds of answers here. One where a player improve the most from last year and another where a players improvement is more important to the team.
                        So, for the player who's going to improve the most relative to last year, I'm going Tyler.
                        For the players whose improvement will be most important to the team, I'm going PG.
                        PG24: "Don't tell me the sky is the limit when there are footprints on the moon!"

                        RT @Hoya2aPacer "When I play this game I love. I play to make my teammates better. But I'm a mouther****er on defense."

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                        • #42
                          Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                          Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
                          One more year of West and I think he's going to be stuck to everything in Pacerland like glue, and I mean that in a good way. At this point, his toughness is too important and is currently not duplicated any where else on the roster. So of that money you just spent, you didn't spend any of it on toughness. I'd rather keep David and let all three of those guys walk (I don't really think we'd have to let Paul George walk anyway.)
                          I like West but at 32 years old I think he's plan B. I'm sure he's going to be motivated to play well this year to earn his last big contract. But I'm going to be rooting for Tyler and Miles to make him expendable.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                            If Tyler Hansbrough is the MIP, the Pacers are in serious trouble!
                            Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                            • #44
                              Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                              If Tyler Hansbrough is the MIP, the opponent is in serious trouble!

                              MI though

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                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers' Most Improved Player for the 2012/2013 season

                                I think Danny will be back to the ASG game next year. He should've been there this year, but it's hard to do it as a forward if your stats aren't super big or efficient.

                                It takes these coach (*cough* intern *cough*) voters more time and especially playoff runs to take notice of improved defense, toughness, leadership and such. See: Aldridge and ZBO.

                                I think this year Danny's efficiency will be up a little with better backups / pass first point playing some minutes next to him + added experience for starter teammates.
                                Which will make him an All Star again.

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