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Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm? {New Video link Post: 207}

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  • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    Did you guys see how many people were at the Fever ECF game? Couldn't even fill up the whole lower level. Sorry if it makes me a dick, but it would be a waste.
    When they went to the Finals in 2009, the games were sold out and nobody bought gobs of free tickets for the games either (Bird bought some tickets for the ECF that year). So if that happens again, the answer is that more fans will see it than would during a regular Pacers game against a non-marquee opponent. I don't know if it makes you a dick, but it would make you wrong about the audience numbers.

    Anyway, your objection to this is just plain weird to me - it's not like this a consumable commodity that will somehow be used up and ruined by exposure. It will still be there in all its glory for Pacers opening night and it will still be exciting.

    It's probably all moot anyway, as odds are the Fever will lose in CT. I guess you can root for that if the possibility bothers you so much.
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    • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

      I won't root against them by any means, and if they sell out the WHOLE Fieldhouse, then that changes my opinion. Honestly didn't follow them much in 09 did they sell out the whole arena or just the lower and club?

      Anyway, Pacers almost always sell out the home opener and from talking to people I know there is genuine excitement to see this thing unveiled at that game.


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      • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        I won't root against them by any means, and if they sell out the WHOLE Fieldhouse, then that changes my opinion. Honestly didn't follow them much in 09 did they sell out the whole arena or just the lower and club?

        Anyway, Pacers almost always sell out the home opener and from talking to people I know there is genuine excitement to see this thing unveiled at that game.
        Gotcha. They sold out the whole thing for the Finals in '09. People thought maybe that meant a big jump in fan support for the following season, but...it didn't.

        Still, I expect that if they make the Finals again the place will be packed. Even some of the most apathetic fans like to say they saw a champion win.

        If it gets used during the WNBA Finals, do you think people would be any less excited to see it on Pacers' opening night? I guess that is possible, though it seems weird to me. If I lived in Indy, I'd be excited to see that thing every game.
        Last edited by gummy; 10-09-2012, 03:48 PM.
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        • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

          First off - sucks that it sounds like Houston is getting rid of the Rocket Lift Off that Gnome and I both saw (and me again last year) because that's pretty cool. IIRC Gnome posted video maybe? I think I have one from last year. Sounds like the rocket is being moved.

          Personally I love mixed media (ie, video and physically tangible items), to me that's a lot more interesting and cool than just video production. Imagine if Boomer were only a video character on screens, it wouldn't be the same.



          Second - I agree with T Joe a little bit, there is a sense of anti-climatic to revealing the scoreboard to a non-full house. Remember that Conseco itself was opened for the season opener and not before. They had a night before the game very exclusive tour but made the reveal a big event.

          WNBA Finals is a nice deal and I'm all for supporting the Fever, but the Pacers home opener is going to be a sell-out and the Pacers are the big deal in the Fieldhouse. In fact they are basically saying just that when they suggest that it would only be revealed early if they make the Finals. They recognize the idea of showmanship and the required prestige of the event they want to associate the reveal with. It's why a Pacers pre-season isn't appropriate either.

          So what we boil down to is the view of WNBA Finals vs Pacers Home Opener, and I hate to be the bearer (2nd after TJ actually) of bad news, but even at Finals level the Fever are still below a Pacers season opener I think. TJoe is definitely right to say that the WNBA ECF crowd was not enough for the prestige they are looking for. Great team, great game but just not considered a huge local event at this point.


          Gummy, it's like any ribbon cutting or whatever. Every new thing can be enjoyed just as much 5 days later, but you'd never want to open Lucas with a 5000 attendance event vs a 65000 person Colts game. The 2nd time or the 10th time just isn't the news that the 1st time is.
          Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 10-09-2012, 04:32 PM.

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          • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

            We went to game 3 of the WNBA Finals in 2009. It wasn't anywhere near filled to capacity. Tickets sold doesn't represent butts in the seat.

            Larry bought out the entire balcony for Game 3, and there wasn't many people actually sitting up there.
            http://indianapolis-indiana.funcityf...-free-tickets/

            EDIT: Whoops, that's for the Shock series.
            EDIT2: I remember the balcony being empty, and the announcers really hitting getting your tickets for game 4 before you left.
            Last edited by Since86; 10-09-2012, 04:45 PM.
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            • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

              Plus let's be honest, this scoreboard was not installed for the Fever, this was installed for the Pacers.


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              • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

                Did big names keep buying up tickets throughout the WNBA finals? Because in 2009, attendance magically went from about 9K in Game 2 of the ECF to a sold out 18,165 in Game 3. And wiki claims that both games 3 and 4 were also complete sell outs, but I am just finding that very hard to believe.


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                • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  Did big names keep buying up tickets throughout the WNBA finals? Because in 2009, attendance magically went from about 9K in Game 2 of the ECF to a sold out 18,165 in Game 3. And wiki claims that both games 3 and 4 were also complete sell outs, but I am just finding that very hard to believe.
                  Like I said before - Larry bought tickets for the ECF. No big names bought tickets for the WNBA Finals series that year. It was widely reported as a sell out at the time. Can't report on butts in the seats (other than seeing some pictures on Indy Star and it looked like a full house), so there ya go. You can find references to it, like here:

                  http://www.swishappeal.com/2009/10/9...-have-the-2009
                  http://www.wnba.com/playoffs2009/att...rd_091009.html

                  I know the Indy Star wrote about it too, but they are trying to make me pay to read one of their "archived" stories. Noooope.

                  Anyway, I don't care much either way though Naptown's point ala ribbon cutting is somewhat persuasive to me. I just needed to push back against the idea that the ECF attendance numbers are predictive of Finals attendance. I don't think they are.
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                  • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

                    Originally posted by gummy View Post

                    It's probably all moot anyway, as odds are the Fever will lose in CT.
                    Well, I was really wrong about this. The Fever walloped the Sun on their home court even after Katie Douglas was carted off to the hospital. So I guess we'll see what happens now, in terms of attendance and the jumbo board!
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                    "Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well." - Voltaire

                    "Everyone's values are defined by what they will tolerate when it is done to others." - William Greider

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                    • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

                      Originally posted by gummy View Post
                      Well, I was really wrong about this. The Fever walloped the Sun on their home court even after Katie Douglas was carted off to the hospital. So I guess we'll see what happens now, in terms of attendance and the jumbo board!
                      True that and congrats to the Fever. Anyone know Katie's status?


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                      • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        True that and congrats to the Fever. Anyone know Katie's status?
                        Nope. Info probably won't be released until tomorrow. Her ankle rolled over such that she created a 90 degree angle though. Nasty sprain at the very least.
                        "Freedom is nothing else but a chance to be better." - Albert Camus

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                        • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

                          Here is a video of the new scoreboard operating in the Fieldhouse. I don't see the temp boards hanging...
                          http://www.indystar.com/videonetwork...fe-Fieldhouse-
                          ...Still "flying casual"
                          @roaminggnome74

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                          • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

                            The local news this morning said that the scoreboard was going to be unveiled at tonight's preseason game.... w00t!

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                            • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm?

                              Originally posted by CoolHand View Post
                              The local news this morning said that the scoreboard was going to be unveiled at tonight's preseason game.... w00t!
                              Have any other news outlets said this? It just seems strange that they would suddenly change their minds and unveil it now instead of waiting until the home opener.

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                              • Re: Big announcement tomorrow @ 2pm? {New Video link Post: 207}

                                I'm guessing they want it to be up for the national TV coverage of the WNBA Finals, but still want Pacers to be the first team to play with it up. Plus if Pacero is right that video is going to still be "old size" then I doubt the Fever will have full video. So home opener will still be the first time for that.


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