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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Pacer News 08-15-12

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  • Pacer News 08-15-12

    The Lakers have Ron Artest, they had Troy Murphy and McBob last year. They looked into signing Brandon Rush this Summer. Before the Dwight Howard trade was changed the Rumor was they were getting Harrington from Denver. So, I guess Danny Granger is preparing for the worst because he just bought a house in LA.

    Screenwriter Kevin Williamson has sold his house in the Hollywood Hills to Indiana Pacer Danny Granger for $3.715 million. The chic contemporary, built in 1990, features walls of glass, city views and 15-foot-tall ceilings, which may have appealed to the 6-foot-8 small forward. Designed for entertaining, the house has three expansive terraces, a pool area bar and a swimming pool. There is a gym with a sauna, a home theater, four bedrooms, 51/2 bathrooms and 5,140 square feet of living space. Los Angeles Times
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    For those who don't know Danny trains in LA during the off season. I don't know what his plans are for his Bat Cave. I think he plans to live there when he retires.
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    August 10, 2012HUGHES NEWS AND VIEWS: Oden's fight through adversity includes stop in Terre Haute

    David HughesThe Tribune-Star
    TERRE HAUTE — Multiple knee surgeries have prevented Greg Oden from playing center in an NBA regular-season game since Dec. 5, 2009.

    But they haven’t kept the former Terre Haute resident from returning to help the Terre Haute Boys & Girls Club raise money for its various programs each of the past six years.

    Back Thursday evening to attend the annual outdoor dinner to promote the “Travis Smith Memorial Golf Classic Hosted By Greg Oden,” a private event which will take place today at the Country Club of Terre Haute, Oden told me that he hopes to resume his NBA career someday.

    The big question is when.

    An unrestricted free agent, the 7-foot Oden disputed Internet reports that he wants to play for the reigning NBA champion Miami Heat and that he intends to play next season.

    These rumors were fueled by a si.com report that quoted his agent, Mike Conley Sr., saying Oden “has talked about Miami.” Oden’s denial doesn’t mean he is ruling out a return in 2012-13, but he stressed that it’s unlikely.

    “I would love to play [in 2012-13], but I’m not going to rush anything,” he said Thursday. “I need to take a year off. What I told Mike was ‘Look, I want to get back with a team. I want to play. If there’s a chance that later on in the [NBA] year, if I feel good or if I’m healthy enough to play, I would love to play this year.’ That’s the conversation we had. I think some people kinda blew that up and took his words and kinda changed them around. I know I need to get healthy first before I do anything.”

    I admit, my preference would be for Oden to sign with the Indiana Pacers. But that’s just so I could see him play in person more often.

    In reality, he doesn’t care which NBA team he joins.

    “It’s not like teams are out there telling people they want me, because they’re not right now,” Oden explained. “And I’m not out there telling people I want to go to a certain team. I want to go to a place where I can get healthy and with somebody who can believe in me and my skills — somewhere it could be a good fit for the both of us.”

    Getting healthy, that is the key.

    A few months ago in New York, Oden underwent stem-cell procedures on both knees with the hope of speeding up that process.

    Still, Oden realizes the possibility exists that he may never continue his NBA career, which so far has consisted of only 82 games (61 in 2008-09 and 21 in 2009-10).

    “If it happens, it happens,” he said. “I’ve got to move on with my life. I know I want to play basketball. If I physically can’t play basketball, then I’ve got to move on … I’ve still got to wake up tomorrow. I’ve still got to live. One day, I’m going to want a family and I’ve got to provide for them. So if basketball doesn’t work out, you gotta keep it moving.”

    Living in Columbus, Ohio, and working toward a degree in sports and leisure at Ohio State University, Oden completed a summer course in economics this week.

    Asked what he’d like his next job to be after he retires from pro basketball — whenever that may be — Oden smiled before giving his answer.

    “I actually want to be a [high school or middle school] gym teacher,” he said. “I feel like they have the best job ever. You think about it, they get their weekends off and they get to wear sweats every day to work.”

    On a more serious note, Oden admitted that details in a story written for grantland.com by former Ohio State teammate Mark Titus — who plans to play in the Smith Memorial Classic today — were all true.

    Among the quotes in that story attributed to Oden: “When I played well, I’d drink to celebrate. And when I played poorly, I’d drink to forget. That second year in Portland [with the Trail Blazers], I pretty much became an alcoholic.”

    On Thursday, Oden insisted that he never experienced a moment of truth which led him to reduce his alcohol consumption.

    “I knew I abused it more than I should have,” he told me. “It happened. I’m not going to sit here and try to hide it. People around me knew it happened.”

    That part of Oden’s life did not last long, however.

    “The people around me, they kinda recognized it,” recalled the 2007 NBA No. 1 overall draft pick and former Lawrence North High School and Ohio State standout. “At that young age, I was still in party mode.”

    Now 24, Oden still enjoys going out with friends on occasion, but he prefers to keep his partying in moderation.

    “Right now, I’m grown up and I know what I want to do,” he continued, referring to his emotional state of mind more than his height. “I want to play basketball. If you play basketball, you can’t drink all the time. You really can’t. It affects your body and it’s just not a good look.”

    Looking ahead to today, Oden anticipates playing nine holes of golf in honor of his longtime friend Travis Smith, a former Terre Haute South High School athlete and Ball State golfer who died in an auto accident in Muncie in January 2007.

    The golf fundraiser is organized by Smith’s father — Terre Haute Boys & Girls Club executive director Jimmy Smith.

    “Every year. Jimmy doesn’t even have to ask me to come here,” Oden emphasized. “Like, literally, this is something that I want to do, that I love doing. There’s great people here. This golf outing is always fun. I really enjoy it. As long as my name is relevant, I will definitely be here.”

    Jimmy Smith said 59 teams entered this year’s event and there are 44 hole sponsors. He also mentioned that the Boys & Girls Club staff hopes to open its new site at the former Chauncey Rose Middle School on Sept. 4 while still using the North Third Street building for its basketball leagues.
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    He might feel healthy enough to play later this season. I would like to see the Pacers give him a shot as Roy's backup. If he could play, we could then go to twin towers next year when/if David West departs.

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    Recent Twitters

    Roy Hibbert: Had the hardest MMA/Crossfit workout I have ever done. It wasn't pretty. I want people 2know its not easy. Have 2put my body thru hell. 2 days ago

    Roy Hibbert: I'm gonna post a link to the video later on today. 2 days ago

    Roy Hibbert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?…. Did 30mins of mma. Then 3 rounds of this Crossfit conditioning circuit. This is the last set. Enjoy my pain. Not easy! 2 days ago

    Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/tag/ind...#ixzz23b6LMEvK

    Roy Hibbert: Whose trying out for Area55 this year? This year has to be bigger than ever. I need everyone to try out and bring their "A" game. yesterday

    Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/tag/ind...#ixzz23b6hSzRj

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    Roy did look plumb tired after that workout.

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    Re: Pacer News 08-15-12

    Mindy Kaling
    @EW: NBA players @Amareisreal, @Baron_Davis, & @dgranger33 to guest on 'The Mindy Project' http://t.co/ypXa46QO" literal ballers you guys!
    10:52 PM - 14 Aug 12
    This is the darkest timeline.

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      Re: Pacer News 08-15-12

      My goodness.. I'm tired watching that Big Roy video. I wasn't ever worried about the resign.. But it looks like we couldn't be in more capable hands. His work ethic is amazing.
      Reggie Miller is a God. Period.

      Passion. Pride. Pacers.

      It's ALWAYS Miller Time.
      #31 & Only

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      • #4
        Re: Pacer News 08-15-12

        http://realestalker.blogspot.com/201...sells.html?m=1

        Beautiful house.

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