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Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

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  • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

    mattie, you have to give the heat's defense a ton of credit, they are really really good. Extremely quick. Able to help and recover as good as any team I've ever seen. So yeah West was going to struggle. Also keep in mind it was the Heat's great team defense that was able to control West pretty well. Plus the Heat watched the film of West dominating the Magic so he was their number concern. They were committed to controlling him, he was their number priority and rightly so.

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    • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
      mattie, you have to give the heat's defense a ton of credit, they are really really good. Extremely quick. Able to help and recover as good as any team I've ever seen. So yeah West was going to struggle. Also keep in mind it was the Heat's great team defense that was able to control West pretty well. Plus the Heat watched the film of West dominating the agic so he was their number concern. They were comitted to controlling him, he was their number priority and rightly so.
      I agree. Their entire team defensive strategy is excellent.

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      • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

        Originally posted by mattie View Post
        I agree. Their entire team defensive strategy is excellent.
        It's their strategy as well as being able to have the personnel to implement the strategy.

        Unless you have a physically dominant big, post play is the easiest offensive strategy to take away from a team. (through fronting, double-teaming, etc) And this is what the Heat did to the Pacers.

        With LBJ playing center field takes away the opportunity to throw anything resembling a skip pass across the court. Add Chalmers and D-Wade whom are also steal artists, and it's difficult to throw a pass over the top of long post defenders that results in a good shot at the rim.

        I always felt that the Pacers should have attempted more of a pass into the high post, and cut type of philosophy to try and catch one of the gambling Heat players off balance. Unfortunately, I dont know that we have the type of player that would have been effective enough in this position to alter the outcome much. (ala Dirk in the finals)

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        • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

          Originally posted by Speed View Post
          My favorite thing that doesn't come from stats is that teams respected the Pacers finally from a physical standpoint, finally. Probably doesn't show up in direct stats, but I guess you could measure the times the opposing teams star was frustrated by the tough physical persona. I attribute a lot of that to David West. Thats the Dale Davis comparison, for me, not the numbers per se or the post defense, Dale was special in that regard, imo. I do put alot of stock in DRose, Kevin Love being 'upset'. I'd attribute the hard foul DWade made on DC and the subsequent frustration manifest with Spoelstra directly to the style of play he had to endure. It's not just David West, its Vogel, its a team mindset, but with David West backing it up, it holds a little more credibility. We should ask Larry Sanders how 'efficient' he thinks David West is compared to Bargnani.
          I agree D West looks the part, and sometimes plays it, but he never gave the hard foul against MIA. Kept waiting for it, but it never happened. Soft and-1s and layups is what I remember a lot of against him. If Hans did anything better than West in that series, he at least gave one solid "playoff foul" to a guard driving the lane. And it is they playoffs where you have got to step it up physically. Not in an season-ender against MIL. Re-watch some old Pacer playoff games. Rik Smits would give harder fouls than what we saw against MIA.


          (Granted West couldn't afford to get in foul trouble or ejected, but still)

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          • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

            Wait did someone say that Ryan Anderson was better than David West? This thread is so big & convoluted that I can't keep up, but seriously did someone say that Ryan Anderson was better than David West?

            Sorry, I hate to make bold statements like this (well no I really don't but I was trying to be polite) but Ryan Anderson is garbage. Now he's better than Steve Novac who is a turd but that is not saying much.


            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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            • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

              Originally posted by Peck View Post
              Wait did someone say that Ryan Anderson was better than David West? This thread is so big & convoluted that I can't keep up, but seriously did someone say that Ryan Anderson was better than David West?

              Sorry, I hate to make bold statements like this (well no I really don't but I was trying to be polite) but Ryan Anderson is garbage. Now he's better than Steve Novac who is a turd but that is not saying much.
              Didn't you say the same thing about Diaw? ........

              And nope Ryan is not better than West he is equal
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              • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                Thats because Cheeseburger Boris IS garbage.
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Didn't you say the same thing about Diaw? ........

                  And nope Ryan is not better than West he is equal
                  What?

                  In what universe is Ryan Anderson & David West equal? Look I'm with you when it comes to saying West has legitimate weakness defending the paint.

                  Anderson is just Troy Murphy with a slightly better willngness to defend, which means that on occasion he will at least try unlike Salloon door.

                  There are a lot of other power forwards in this world that you can say are equal to or better than West but Anderson is just not one of them.

                  As to Diaw, simply put he is a beneficiary of the San Antonio system. With the Bobcats he was garbage. So in other words he is only as good as the system is around him.


                  Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                  • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                    Originally posted by DemonHunter1105 View Post
                    No that is totally fine. I wasn't asking you to post anyway, I was replying to Bill for the most part with a sidenote to you that did not require you to respond since I did not ask you a question or anything. The majority of your posts are fine, but in general about 1/5 are pretty irritating and/or mindboggling to attempt to follow your reasoning imo. On certain topics, I cannot take you seriously and just have to ignore the thread. You just seem to like to remind people often about your negative views towards certain players/moves the TPTB make. You don't need to keep telling people the same stuff over and over again. We can read and comprehend just fine one time. For example, I disliked Dunleavy immensely the last couple years he was here and agreed with you on him as a player but you didn't have to keep bringing it up every 5 minutes. That is just my opinion though, and do as you please.

                    I don't mind when you regularly post common sense/logical things but when you make crazy assumptions about our team's goals which you and I cannot know from our standpoint as simple fans, or the value of our players always below everyone else out there in the league, it really grinds my gears. The grass is always greener, or sometimes it's just that our grass isn't any good in your eyes.
                    vnzla81 I really hate to pile on but it's also really irritating when you make a brash/bold statement, then people refute it / call you out on it or whatever, and then instead of responding or acknowledging the counter-argument you just pretend your original comment never happened, by either changing the subject or changing your argument (you do this A LOT) - in this thread it's the claim you made that Battier "totally shut down" West in the Miami series. Once people posted stats and called you out on this statement, you never mentioned it again or defended it as far as I can tell, and instead changed your point to West not taking advantage of the Bosh injury or whatever.

                    It gets really tiresome reading and/or trying to have a conversation with somebody like that. Gets old super quick actually. Judging from your other comments you're obviously smarter than that, otherwise I would just put you on ignore and not bother saying anything.

                    Like I said sorry to pile on but I needed to say it at least once since your posts are everywhere on this board and I have to read them if I'm going to continue to enjoy PD. Please take my comments in the spirit they are intended (feedback from a reader)... Carry on...

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                    • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                      Getting back to the original article, I'm really surprised that people think keeping the same starting 5 intact for ONLY A SECOND YEAR is somehow considered standing pat or treading water or underachieving.

                      It would be one thing if we'd made it to the second round 2 or 3 years in a row with the same lineup and THEN decided just to re-sign our starters. But that's not what's happened here. As I said at the beginning of the thread, 2 of our starting 5 have only played like 80 games or so for the team including playoffs. With no training camp yet.

                      Surely giving this team their FIRST FULL YEAR with the same coach and starters, given the fact that 3 starters are 25 or younger and the team has made big leaps 2 years in a row, isn't too much to ask is it? It really surprises me just how impatient a lot of posters seem to be with our progression.

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                      • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                        Originally posted by Peck View Post
                        What?

                        In what universe is Ryan Anderson & David West equal? Look I'm with you when it comes to saying West has legitimate weakness defending the paint.

                        Anderson is just Troy Murphy with a slightly better willngness to defend, which means that on occasion he will at least try unlike Salloon door.

                        There are a lot of other power forwards in this world that you can say are equal to or better than West but Anderson is just not one of them.

                        As to Diaw, simply put he is a beneficiary of the San Antonio system. With the Bobcats he was garbage. So in other words he is only as good as the system is around him.
                        Anderson and West D is about equal to me, I know you hate power forwards that shoot 3's but just because he does that he is not Troy Murphy, 16ppg and 7.7rpg and 6th man of the year is not garbage.


                        And regarding Diaw, hate him all you want but the best coach in the NBA Pop put him in the starting unit for a reason and that's because the guy is wayyyy better than you think.
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                        • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                          Originally posted by rabidpacersfan View Post
                          vnzla81 I really hate to pile on but it's also really irritating when you make a brash/bold statement, then people refute it / call you out on it or whatever, and then instead of responding or acknowledging the counter-argument you just pretend your original comment never happened, by either changing the subject or changing your argument (you do this A LOT) - in this thread it's the claim you made that Battier "totally shut down" West in the Miami series. Once people posted stats and called you out on this statement, you never mentioned it again or defended it as far as I can tell, and instead changed your point to West not taking advantage of the Bosh injury or whatever.

                          It gets really tiresome reading and/or trying to have a conversation with somebody like that. Gets old super quick actually. Judging from your other comments you're obviously smarter than that, otherwise I would just put you on ignore and not bother saying anything.

                          Like I said sorry to pile on but I needed to say it at least once since your posts are everywhere on this board and I have to read them if I'm going to continue to enjoy PD. Please take my comments in the spirit they are intended (feedback from a reader)... Carry on...
                          Don't worry about pilling on, some guys just don't have the thick skin I have I can handle it.

                          Please do me a favor and put on ignore so I don't have to read your sensitive posts again, thank you.
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                          • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            Don't worry about pilling on, some guys just don't have the thick skin I have I can handle it.

                            Please do me a favor and put on ignore so I don't have to read your sensitive posts again, thank you.
                            WOW. I bent over backwards to be nice about it. Your reaction is ***duly*** noted. Punk-*** thing to say, seriously.

                            Also nice to know you will just straight up ignore criticism, valid or not. Best of luck to you sir. And welcome to my ignore list. I tried.
                            Last edited by rabid; 07-25-2012, 06:59 PM.

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                            • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                              Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post

                              Thats because Cheeseburger Boris IS garbage.

                              Sorry, but I have to disagree with that statement. He played well in a Spurs uni. Well enough that the Spurs re-signed Diaw.

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                              • Re: Donnie Walsh: "We have to go up a level"

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                Didn't you say the same thing about Diaw? ........

                                And nope Ryan is not better than West he is equal
                                IS THIS A JOKE!

                                in pretty much every fn aspect of basketball west is a better player than anderson.

                                leadership, post play, 10-15 jump shooting, strength on the block to defend, passing. other than outside shooting i dont see any ground for which you can stand on in saying west and anderson are equal.

                                this has got to be a fing joke right.

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