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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

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  • #61
    Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

    "He will make many more all star teams before he is done. And even at the end of his career, he will be better than anyone currently on the Pacers......"
    good to know you can guarantee something like that.
    at the end of his career, he will be a taller version of iverson- a guy whose game relied on his speed and quickness and had none of those things left. i don't buy it he has many more all star games left in him unless he gets vote like yao ming got his.
    he will have to play as many minutes as the game dictates- and he had to play a bunch this past year.

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    • #62
      Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

      Quick quiz, who is the pacers 3rd oldest player?




      26 year old Tyler Hansbrough

      New York got older, Miami got older, New Jersey got older

      There is more than one way to improve. Most of our guys are moving towards their prime years, while other teams are on the other side of the mountain.

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      • #63
        Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

        I also love that Boston got better by getting rid of Ray Allen while Miami got better by acquiring him.

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        • #64
          Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

          Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
          Quick quiz, who is the pacers 3rd oldest player?




          26 year old Tyler Hansbrough

          New York got older, Miami got older, New Jersey got older

          There is more than one way to improve. Most of our guys are moving towards their prime years, while other teams are on the other side of the mountain.
          What you don't get is that the three teams you name won't stay static. They will get more superstars and they will keep on winning. The Pacers will never have one and they will be mediocre + or - a few games....

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          • #65
            Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

            IMO hibbert isnt overpaid. Demand sets the market, and the market set Hibbert's price. if you're paying market you can't be overpaying.

            a player can become overpaid due to the guaranteed contract system of the NBA. if it later gets to a point where a player is making more than he could ever get in the open market at the time, he becomes overpaid (granger wasn't overpaid when he signed his deal, but he probably is now.) OR if a player somehow, someway gets a contract more than any other team would have paid (george hill is overpaid because no one else, I believe, wouldve paid him anywhere near 40/5).

            i dont believe that you can argue hibbert is overpaid because other better players make more. thats mostly a result of our max contract and salary cap system. hibbert makes almost as much as a guy like durant or lebron not because hes overpaid but because those guys are underpaid. if the market was allowed to set the price on durant or lebron without salary cap or max contract restrictions they would make 30 like ARod or Pujols.

            for lots of reasons we cant get durants and lebrons so we pay fair market value for hibberts. theres nothing we can do about it. but hibbert isnt overpaid.

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            • #66
              Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

              i would also strongly disagree that west, DJ or green are overpaid. Mahimni maybe, but Ive seen him play like once and clearly wasnt paying attention to him so I cant make judgment. But west, Dj and Green are very fairly priced IMO.

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              • #67
                Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                Simmons' biggest gripe was the we paid max for a center when it seems like the league at an elite level is moving away from big centers. If Hibbert is matched up with Bosh and not destroying him in the post then we are losing that matchup. But a big part of that is how poor the Pacers are at feeding the post. If they are going to continue to play West and Hibbert through the post this year we are going to need a lot better post entry passes to make it successful against the NBA's elite.

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                • #68
                  Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                  Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                  Granger's game is predicated on shooting and he's not going to lose that stroke.
                  I'm not sure he hasn't already lost it...
                  But then again, he has horrible shot selection so maybe that is the problem. But bball IQ improvement at this point in his career seems to be expecting a little much.
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #69
                    Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                    Originally posted by SkipperZ View Post
                    IMO hibbert isnt overpaid. Demand sets the market, and the market set Hibbert's price. if you're paying market you can't be overpaying.
                    Your definition of overpaid is not the usual one. Fans are comparing the contract to their prediction of the player's future value. Or put another way, you never overpay for a stock purchase because you pay the market price. Whether you "overpaid" in the eyes of others is based on their belief in its future value.

                    As to Roy Hibbert, the win/lose on his "value" will be on his scoring. On D... we've seen his defense and shot blocking on the plus side, and his lateral slowness on the minus side. He can be compensated for, but Simmons has a point about that slowness being an issue with so many mobile forward/centers who can hit outside shots.

                    But Simmons is also being simplistic. If Roy Hibbert bumps his scoring up to around 18 ppg on efficient shooting, no one gives a rip about a defensive mismatch. Pau Gasol used to get flak about his defensive liabilities. You know why you don't hear about that anymore, why Pau is now a good "rim defender?" Because Pau scores. Teams have to match up to him. That's the path for Roy.

                    But if teams can take Roy out of the offense by fronting him, yes, he will be less valuable in the playoffs. Because in the playoffs, the defensive schemes and awareness are raised.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                      Cynics always claim to be realists...From Dead Poet Society to Pacers Digest.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                        And option 2 was???

                        Now, STFU Bill Simmons...what a wanker!
                        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                        • #72
                          Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                          Simmons always acts like he knows what he's talking about and he really doesn't in my opinion. I don't have any examples because I can't remember, but he predicted a bunch of stuff last year and was completely off. I really don't think he knows a lot about basketball except for when it comes to the Celtics.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                            Originally posted by Bball View Post
                            I'm not sure he hasn't already lost it...
                            This is assuming he ever "had it"?
                            You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                            • #74
                              Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                              Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                              Granger is one dimensional. He can't drive to the hoop. He is most a spot of three shooter and his defense has always been sketchy at best and apalling at worst. No, he can't guard James but you could name just about any small forward in the league and he can't guard them either.....
                              Idc what anyone says, you can't average over 18 ppg for 4-5 straight seasons and be one dimensional. Is he streaky? YES. Could he stand to find other ways to score? YES. But DG is a bonafide scorer in this league. To be honest I think Danny plays good defense, but often times loses his focus. At this point he is what he is, a streaky scorer who relies on spot up situations and straight drives to the hoop. Is he overpaid at 13 mil? Maybe. But he's a bargain when you look at comparable players (Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson). His contract stacks right up with Deng and Iggy where it should be.

                              On a seperate note, I just don't think that 21 million for 4 players (one of which is our second best player) is a bad deal at all.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Simmons Game of Thrones/NBA FA Article

                                Other than Miami, no team in the East is better than the Pacers.

                                Boston is OLD- the addition of a 35 year old Jason Terry does not scare me. Pierce is 35 and KG is 37. The Pacers had a better record than the Celtics last season.

                                Chicago- hemorrhaging key roles players to reduce salary and Rose won't be back for awhile.

                                Atlanta- lost its leading scorer

                                Brooklyn- they haven't been any good with Deron Williams and Gerald Wallace is over-the-hill and no game changer. Adding a 31 year-old Joe Johnson is not a game changing upgrade. Remember, the Nets were 22-44 last season. It's going to take a major improvement just to get back to .500. Robin Lopez is severely overhyped- he has no winning pedigree in this league and is coming off an injury.

                                Philadelphia- an eight seed the last two years. They are getting overhyped because they beat a severely shorthanded Bulls team in the first round.

                                New York- they added two 40 year olds. Marcus Camby and Jason Kidd circa 2012 are role players at best.

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