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    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81...-replay-tweaks

    The NBA's Board of Governors is meeting in Las Vegas on Thursday, and a source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com the agenda includes votes on several rule changes, especially expanding the use of instant replay. If passed, the changes would be in effect for the next NBA season.

    The board, comprised of one owner from each team, is slated to vote on three instant replay issues, and one proposal about inbounding the ball:

    Instant replay for all flagrant fouls: The competition committee proposes to let referees review all flagrant fouls on video.

    In May, Game 5 between the Indiana Pacers and Miami Heat was marred by a succession of violent fouls. First, the Pacers' Tyler Hansbrough fouled the Heat's Dwyane Wade hard. Less than a minute later Wade's teammate Udonis Haslem evidently sought retribution with a blow to Hansbrough's head and upper body. Both were given the milder designation of "Flagrant 1" and thus referees did not review video of either play mid-game. Under the rules at the time, only the harsher "Flagrant 2" calls could be reviewed on video by referees. After the game, NBA officials reviewed video of all three calls, upgraded Hansbrough's call to a Flagrant 2, while issuing suspensions for Haslem and the Heat's Dexter Pittman, who also committed a violent foul later in the same game.

    The league long has sought to prevent escalations of violence, and in this a mid-game video review of Hansbrough's initial foul could have resulted in a Flagrant 2 call just after the play, which would have meant Hansbrough's automatic ejection and, therefore, no opportunity for Haslem to retaliate, and for the violence to escalate.

    Instant replay for late-game goaltending and restricted area: Owners also will vote on two more new uses of instant replay, to review goaltending and to see if a player was standing in the restricted area under the basket. Both kinds of plays can be very difficult in real time.

    In the first, referees are asked to use the naked eye to judge if a shot is on its way up or has yet to reach the backboard, and is therefore fair game to block -- or past that point and off-limits to shotblockers. In the second, referees must both watch a collision in the lane and know with certainty if the defensive player had both feet entirely outside the semi-circular "no charge" zone under the hoop.

    Instant replay often gives fans in the arena and at home views referees don't have. If approved, replay for goaltending and restricted area calls only would be available in the final two minutes of games, or in overtime.

    Inbounding from the sideline or baseline: The fourth and final proposed rule change slated for a vote is letting teams choose to inbound the ball from the baseline or the sideline after timeouts. Previously, teams would have lost that choice by, for instance, inbounding and dribbling the ball before calling the timeout.

    Also slated for discussion, but not scheduled for votes, are changes to how the league handles flopping, the draft lottery and potentially adopting international basket interference rules.

    Flopping: This may be the biggest issue with fans, but is not slated for a vote Thursday.

    NBA commissioner David Stern discussed the league's ideas on flopping after a June competition committee meeting in Miami: "One of the things we're looking at is a postgame analysis of flopping," he explained. "We could see something like (the current points system for technicals) ... If you continue to do this you have to suffer some consequences. What exactly that should be, and the progression is, is to be decided. We just want to put a stake in the ground and say this is not something we want to be a part of our game -- without coming down with a sledgehammer but to do it in a minimalist way to begin stamping it out."

    Under the current points system for technicals, fines and suspensions mount as the offenses continue.

    Draft Lottery: The draft lottery has long been much-debated, with some saying it does too much to reward the league's worst teams and others saying it doesn't do enough.

    The league instituted the lottery after complaints that teams were losing in order to get good picks, and has since tweaked the system in response to complaints that the weights favored certain kinds of teams. Further changes have been much-discussed, but are not likely to be approved Thursday. Stern has been dismissive of suggestions that big changes are necessary.

    Basket interference: The NBA's current basket interference rules prohibit touching the ball while it's "in the cylinder," an imaginary column above the rim. Under FIBA's international rules, there is no such prohibition, and Stern has long supported adopting FIBA's rule, which is in effect in the NBA's D-League, where it is said to create exciting plays at the rim without leading to higher injury rates as has been feared.

    Rule changes approved now could result in new rules in effect for the 2012-13 NBA season. Items like flopping and the draft lottery, which are only under discussion, could also result in quick changes, even though there is not another Board of Governors' meeting scheduled soon -- the board can vote to approve rule changes without convening.
    I like the pro-Miami spin in the last paragraph of the bullet on the Hansbrough flagrant.

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    **** ESPN.

    Anyway the basket interference thing is something I'm surprised hasn't been changed already, makes the game a little more exciting.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

    ----------------- Reggie Miller

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    • #3
      Totally takes the shooter's bounce out of the game.

      Putting a good spin on the ball will no long mean **** since anything that doesn't swish through is now a threat to get knocked off the rim before it has a chance to roll in.

      It'll be interesting to see how long this last as guards around the NBA watch their numbers plummet.

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        Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
        Totally takes the shooter's bounce out of the game.

        It'll be interesting to see how long this last as guards around the NBA watch their numbers plummet.
        Rebounds up, shooting percentages down, would be odd initially.
        "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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          Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
          Rebounds up, shooting percentages down, would be odd initially.
          Take a look at the early 60's, when guards all shot in the upper 30's and there were 70+ rebounds to be had in any given game.

          It would not surprise me at all for that one little rule to completely change the entire game and slingshot us back to the stone age, where guards were pretty much irrelevant unless they were super-sized.

          I can see coaches putting in four 6'10"+ guys in the final seconds of a 3-point game and pretty much telling the other team to take whatever shot they want, knowing if it isn't a clean swish, its going to get swatted out of the rim.
          Last edited by Kstat; 07-19-2012, 06:41 PM.

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            OMG, seriously...

            I can not believe people are still calling Tyler's foul on Wade a F2.

            No freaking way.

            A F1, sure... But HE MADE A PLAY ON THE BALL!

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              Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

              I don't want to get rid of basket interference for the same reasons as kstat, but I mean, we just gave Roy a max deal. If they did change it it'd help him.

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                Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                Hey, it helps us too. We just drafted a 7-foot 280 lb man with a 34-inch vertical and a wingspan of 7'4."

                Still doesn't make it a good idea.

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                  Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                  Originally posted by TMJ31 View Post
                  OMG, seriously...

                  I can not believe people are still calling Tyler's foul on Wade a F2.

                  No freaking way.

                  A F1, sure... But HE MADE A PLAY ON THE BALL!
                  They're calling it that because that's what it was upgraded to. The last paragraph of the flagrant foul rule is right on the money. I don't think it was a Flagrant 2 either, but theoretically that's what the refs would have upgraded it to had they had a chance to look at it on replay.
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                    Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                    The way they worded it is BS. They say if Hans is out of the game there is no need for revenge. Well there wasn't any ****ing reason to retaliate anyway. Haslem was just being a whiny *****. Notice how they didn't even mention the Flagrant foul on Wade against Collison. Wade should have been thrown out and suspended but they don't mention the Heats gods

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                      Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                      Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
                      The way they worded it is BS. They say if Hans is out of the game there is no need for revenge. Well there wasn't any ****ing reason to retaliate anyway. Haslem was just being a whiny *****. Notice how they didn't even mention the Flagrant foul on Wade against Collison. Wade should have been thrown out and suspended but they don't mention the Heats gods
                      Because it wasn't upgraded after the fact to a Flagrant 2. Somehow.
                      #DBAP

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                        Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                        The best thing about basketball, relative to hockey, soccer, and most other sports with a goal or net, is the absence of a goalie. If the NBA allows goaltending, I'll be done. That's a boring game - just have a big leaper play zone right in front of the rim and swat everything away. And change the name from "center" to goalie. Yawn. The rim is horizontal, unlike the other sports with legal and encouraged goalies, and the rim and backboard can allow a shot to fall in the rim or out of the rim. Once its out of the cylinder, its fair game. But interfering with the ball inside the cylinder should remain a violation for either team.
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                          Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                          Originally posted by TMJ31 View Post
                          OMG, seriously...

                          I can not believe people are still calling Tyler's foul on Wade a F2.

                          No freaking way.

                          A F1, sure... But HE MADE A PLAY ON THE BALL!
                          I still don't believe it was even a flagrant. His hand was on the ball. But I digress.
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                            Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                            Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                            Totally takes the shooter's bounce out of the game.

                            Putting a good spin on the ball will no long mean **** since anything that doesn't swish through is now a threat to get knocked off the rim before it has a chance to roll in.

                            It'll be interesting to see how long this last as guards around the NBA watch their numbers plummet.
                            Remember though, if the ball has started to fall in the rim at all it cannot be bothered. That was mentioned during the USA practice I saw.

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                              Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                              I think goal tending stays, but offensive interference goes.

                              I'd have to relisten to the interview, but thats the impression I got at the time.
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