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  • #16
    Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

    Originally posted by ChicagoJ View Post
    The best thing about basketball, relative to hockey, soccer, and most other sports with a goal or net, is the absence of a goalie. If the NBA allows goaltending, I'll be done. That's a boring game - just have a big leaper play zone right in front of the rim and swat everything away. And change the name from "center" to goalie. Yawn. The rim is horizontal, unlike the other sports with legal and encouraged goalies, and the rim and backboard can allow a shot to fall in the rim or out of the rim. Once its out of the cylinder, its fair game. But interfering with the ball inside the cylinder should remain a violation for either team.
    I agree, except for on tip-ins, putbacks. Those should be legal IMO.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by SycamoreKen View Post
      Remember though, if the ball has started to fall in the rim at all it cannot be bothered. That was mentioned during the USA practice I saw.
      Good luck policing that.

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      • #18
        Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
        Good luck policing that.
        Refs have been doing it around the world for quite a while now.

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        • #19
          Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
          Good luck policing that.
          No harder than the ridiculous "invisible cylinder" they police now.

          I'd be interested in seeing how it plays out, as I've never watched a league that didn't have basket interference.

          However, if we look at Team USA 2008 statistics, I think the impact on FG% may be overstated:

          ## Player GP-GS Min--Avg FG-FGA Pct 3FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg PF FO A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg
          ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          09 Wade, Dwyane....... 8-0 150 18.8 47-70 .671 8-17 .471 26-41 .634 14 18 32 4.0 13 0 15 13 1 18 128 16.0
          06 James, LeBron...... 8-8 198 24.8 50-83 .602 13-28 .464 11-24 .458 9 33 42 5.3 16 0 30 17 8 19 124 15.5
          10 Bryant, Kobe....... 8-8 188 23.5 48-104 .462 17-53 .321 7-12 .583 9 13 22 2.8 19 0 17 15 4 9 120 15.0
          15 Anthony, Carmelo... 8-8 153 19.1 27-64 .422 14-37 .378 24-29 .828 5 29 34 4.3 23 0 3 6 2 8 92 11.5
          11 Howard, Dwight..... 8-8 129 16.1 35-47 .745 0-0 .000 17-37 .459 15 31 46 5.8 23 0 4 9 7 5 87 10.9
          12 Bosh, Chris........ 8-0 138 17.3 24-31 .774 0-0 .000 25-29 .862 14 35 49 6.1 13 0 2 4 6 2 73 9.1
          07 Williams, Deron.... 8-0 152 19.0 23-52 .442 9-24 .375 9-10 .900 3 15 18 2.3 21 1 22 12 0 6 64 8.0
          13 Paul, Chris........ 8-0 175 21.9 19-38 .500 4-14 .286 22-24 .917 6 23 29 3.6 15 0 33 9 0 18 64 8.0
          14 Prince, Tayshaun... 8-0 88 11.0 13-22 .591 6-11 .545 2-4 .500 6 9 15 1.9 7 0 2 2 1 3 34 4.3
          04 Boozer, Carlos..... 8-0 48 6.0 10-18 .556 0-0 .000 6-8 .750 5 10 15 1.9 9 0 2 8 0 2 26 3.3
          08 Redd, Michael...... 8-0 73 9.1 10-31 .323 5-18 .278 0-1 .000 3 6 9 1.1 1 0 4 3 0 2 25 3.1
          05 Kidd, Jason........ 8-8 108 13.5 6-7 .857 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 6 15 21 2.6 13 0 16 12 2 5 13 1.6
          ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Total.............. 8 1600 312-567 .550 77-204 .377 149-219 .680 95 237 332 41.5 173 1 150 110 31 97 850 106.2
          Opponents.......... 8 1600 222-551 .403 60-201 .299 123-156 .788 102 185 287 35.9 184 - 85 154 29 53 627 78.4

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          • #20
            Not even a remotely fair assessment. It's like saying the 3 point line had no effect in the game in 1980.

            Give NBA athletes 2 good years of this rule and it will be exploited every single possession.

            Not to mention teams will start fouling with 9 minutes left knowing they can knock the 2nd FT off the rim.
            Last edited by Kstat; 07-19-2012, 08:02 PM.

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            • #21
              Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              Not even a remotely fair assessment. It's like saying the 3 point line had no effect in the game in 1980.
              Um, I'm likely missing the comparison, but showing statistics from a FIBA tournament involving teams that have been playing with these rules primarily for their entire careers seems to be a pretty good way to look at potential impact. Not a perfect way, just pretty good.

              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              Give NBA athletes 2 good years of this rule and it will be exploited every single possession.
              Again, this has been in play for years overseas without the issues you're speaking of. Sure, it isn't the NBA, but it isn't exactly a joke either.

              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              Not to mention teams will start fouling with 9 minutes left knowing they can knock the 2nd FT off the rim.
              I imagine this is something that can be dealt with if it needs to be, ala the "Hack-a-Shaq" of the early 2000's. However, again, I don't see this as a huge issue.

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              • #22
                Fiba doesn't gave NBA athletes, or NBA coaching. It's like saying the rule has no effect in the d league.

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                • #23
                  Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                  Some of you don't seem to understand the difference in goal tending and interference. Goal tending will never go away, EVER.

                  I'm all for getting rid of interference, I like the international rules on interference.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                    They said on NBA TV that Adam Silver said it would be likely companies could put advertisements on jerseys, similar to Europe.

                    Yuck. There are plenty of places to tastefully advertise. I hope this doesn't go through.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                      via RoboHicks

                      http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-boa...5779--nba.html
                      The NBA Board of Governors approved a new look for uniforms and a couple of changes in the use of video replay. Commissioner David Stern met with the media Thursday after the Board of Governors held their annual summer meeting.

                      He said the league is looking to add possibly $100 million in revenue by permitting small advertising patches on uniforms starting in the 2013-14 season.

                      ''The view is, that the teams would need a significant time; one, to sell the patch; and number two, for Adidas to manufacture the uniforms, because the patch that would be on the players' uniforms would also appear on the jerseys at retail,'' said Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver, who is handling the uniform change.

                      Silver said there are revenue projections from European soccer teams that the NBA could use.

                      The competition committee altered a few rule changes with respect to the use of video replay, primarily in the final 2 minutes or overtime of games.

                      At any point in the game, officials can now check video replay on all flagrant fouls.

                      ''So the call is flagrant foul and then you go the tape, and you decide whether it's a 1 or a 2, or in some rare instance, maybe even a common foul,'' Stern said.

                      Officials can now use video replay in the final two minutes or overtime to decide whether a defender was in or out of the restricted area around the basket on charge and blocking fouls. Replay can also be used for goaltending calls in the late stages games as well.

                      In September, the competition committee will look at flopping and fouls away from the ball.
                      Stern said that under the Collective Bargaining Agreement and the implementation of revenue sharing that profitable numbers are ''optimistic.''

                      He said the proposed sale of the Memphis Grizzlies is proceeding on pace and the league hopes to approve it in the next couple of months. The league approved the sale of the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan's ownership interest in the Toronto Raptors to Bell Canada and Rogers Communications.

                      Stern said there are more positives with the league, including the successful summer league held in Las Vegas.

                      ''We had a happy group of owners,'' Stern said. ''Our ratings are up 28 percent over the last decade, while television ratings are down around 30 percent the last decade. We are going to have our best year ever, both in gate and sponsorship this coming year.''
                      I honestly don't care about a little patch on the uniforms. We're not about to be the "Simon Mall Pacers" or something. Not that you could blame Herb if that ever happened. It's a far better avenue to go down than raising revenue by raising prices on patrons.
                      Last edited by Heisenberg; 07-20-2012, 12:25 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                        via RoboHicks

                        http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-boa...5779--nba.html


                        I honestly don't care about a little patch on the uniforms. We're not about to be the "Simon Mall Pacers" or something. Not that you could blame Herb if that ever happened. It's a far better avenue to go down than raising revenue by raising prices on patrons.

                        Good point. Why stop there though? Lets put the golden arches right on midcourt instead of a logo. Lets put a pepsi sign right on the glass backboard. We should also put the Geico Gecko right on the 24 second shot clock. I bet the NBA could make even more money!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                          Good point. Why stop there though? Lets put the golden arches right on midcourt instead of a logo. Lets put a pepsi sign right on the glass backboard. We should also put the Geico Gecko right on the 24 second shot clock. I bet the NBA could make even more money!
                          Go for it. Fine with me. Doesn't mean I have to watch the Hamburgler bang on the block or watch the Geico lizard botch a PnR. I honestly don't care, it's still the highest level of basketball in the world and that's all that matters.

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                          • #28
                            Do we really need to revisit this?

                            Originally posted by Steagles View Post
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                            • #29
                              Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              Not even a remotely fair assessment. It's like saying the 3 point line had no effect in the game in 1980.

                              Give NBA athletes 2 good years of this rule and it will be exploited every single possession.

                              Not to mention teams will start fouling with 9 minutes left knowing they can knock the 2nd FT off the rim.
                              Well me agreeing to it meant in essence, that a bank shot couldn't be bothered with before it hit the rim, or that free throws couldn't be affected either, players would have to let free throws do what they do, there would be interference if done on a FT. I think it makes life a lot easier for the officials not having to worry about the invisible no touch zone around the rim.
                              "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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                              • #30
                                Re: Board of Governors to vote on rule changes

                                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                                Not even a remotely fair assessment. It's like saying the 3 point line had no effect in the game in 1980.

                                Give NBA athletes 2 good years of this rule and it will be exploited every single possession.

                                Not to mention teams will start fouling with 9 minutes left knowing they can knock the 2nd FT off the rim.
                                Tiago Splitter agreed with you in 2010.

                                http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s...ule-695207.php

                                Tiago Splitter, the 6-foot-11 Brazilian rookie center who joined the Spurs after 10 seasons under international rules in the Spanish League, worries that the abundance of athletic big men in the NBA could make a mockery of the game if they are allowed to take the ball off the rim or touch it in the imaginary cylinder above the rim.
                                Though Splitter enjoyed being able to touch the ball on, or above, the rim in the Spanish League, he prefers that the NBA leave its goaltending rule unchanged.
                                “I think here the people are more athletic, and it's easier to do that,” he said. “I think it's better to keep it like it is.”


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