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  • Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

    This isn't exactly groundbreaking stuff, but I wanted to make a new thread about it in the hopes people see it.

    Mark Deeks runs ShamSports.com. There's Larry Coon when you want to decipher the CBA, and then there's Mark Deeks when you want to decipher contracts. I have no clue who his sources are. I also have no reason whatsoever to doubt him.

    https://twitter.com/MarkDeeksNBA/sta...71444872192000
    Jason Kidd (3 yeas, $9.09m), Ian Mahinmi (4 years, $16m), Gerald Green (3 years, $10.5m) - all flat & fully guaranteed with no option years.
    So that means Green makes 3.33 for the next 3 years, and Mahinmi makes an even 4 million over the next 4. That helps explain, somewhat, how and why Scola and Brand weren't realistic amnesty options.

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    Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

    Aren't flat contracts rare? It's nice because the tax line tends to move up, but our payroll won't (for these guys) allowing us a little more leeway each year.

    And Green would be 3.5 each, if my math is right.
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      Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
      This isn't exactly groundbreaking stuff, but I wanted to make a new thread about it in the hopes people see it.

      Mark Deeks runs ShamSports.com. There's Larry Coon when you want to decipher the CBA, and then there's Mark Deeks when you want to decipher contracts. I have no clue who his sources are. I also have no reason whatsoever to doubt him.

      https://twitter.com/MarkDeeksNBA/sta...71444872192000

      So that means Green makes 3.33 for the next 3 years, and Mahinmi makes an even 4 million over the next 4. That helps explain, somewhat, how and why Scola and Brand weren't realistic amnesty options.
      Yup, Sham is very credible. He gets unbelievably detailed on those contracts.

      Good news on the flat contracts for Mahinmi and Green. We use up a bit more cap now, but won't have to deal with escalating cap hits in the future.

      Hope it turns out that Hill too is on a flat or declining contract. Hibbert's contract on the other hand, I don't think it's possible for it to be set up as a flat contract

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        Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

        Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
        This isn't exactly groundbreaking stuff, but I wanted to make a new thread about it in the hopes people see it.

        Mark Deeks runs ShamSports.com. There's Larry Coon when you want to decipher the CBA, and then there's Mark Deeks when you want to decipher contracts. I have no clue who his sources are. I also have no reason whatsoever to doubt him.

        https://twitter.com/MarkDeeksNBA/sta...71444872192000

        So that means Green makes 3.33 for the next 3 years, and Mahinmi makes an even 4 million over the next 4. That helps explain, somewhat, how and why Scola and Brand weren't realistic amnesty options.
        Brand was for 1 year and even Scola's deal would have replaced Hans' after this year. I think the FO could have avoided the tax cap comfortably.

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          Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

          Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
          That helps explain, somewhat, how and why Scola and Brand weren't realistic amnesty options.
          the difference between back-loaded and 'flat' is what, 400k combined for the first year.
          that doesn't change much by itself.

          in the end, the FO chose not to bid for some bigger reason.
          maybe it was cash flow concerns, maybe they wanted to give Tyler another chance, maybe they didn't like Brand/Scola for some reason or had chemistry/age concerns, maybe it was between them and Barbosa and the front office felt Barbosa matters more to the team than a better scoring PF.
          i'd love to see Barbosa's contract (if he's actually signed).

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            Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

            I think Scola and Brands agents just said they don't want to come here, and anyone who doesn't want to be here we aren't going to chase or concern ourselves with. It's a no win for everyone if the player doesn't want to be there.

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              Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
              This isn't exactly groundbreaking stuff, but I wanted to make a new thread about it in the hopes people see it.

              Mark Deeks runs ShamSports.com. There's Larry Coon when you want to decipher the CBA, and then there's Mark Deeks when you want to decipher contracts. I have no clue who his sources are. I also have no reason whatsoever to doubt him.

              https://twitter.com/MarkDeeksNBA/sta...71444872192000

              So that means Green makes 3.33 for the next 3 years, and Mahinmi makes an even 4 million over the next 4. That helps explain, somewhat, how and why Scola and Brand weren't realistic amnesty options.
              No, it doesnt.

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                Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

                Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
                I think Scola and Brands agents just said they don't want to come here, and anyone who doesn't want to be here we aren't going to chase or concern ourselves with. It's a no win for everyone if the player doesn't want to be there.
                Except for the fact that by the time Scola was released there was no way the Pacers could bid as they were over the cap so there would be no way the Pacers could bid and therefore absolutely no need for his agent to even bother calling. At this point I dont care enough to check the Brand timeline. But it makes for a nice story.

                Are u the same Bulletproof from years gone by that was rumored to be related by law to Walsh? If so, certainly would explain that constant attempts to defend him, even in situations where its quite obvious he and his staff screwed up in a not so small way.

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                  Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

                  Originally posted by cinotimz View Post

                  Are u the same Bulletproof from years gone by that was rumored to be related by law to Walsh? If so, certainly would explain that constant attempts to defend him, even in situations where its quite obvious he and his staff screwed up in a not so small way.
                  Really?



                  REALLY?

                  Guess Olblu isn't alone on my ignore list anymore....

                  I mean, REALLY?
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                    Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

                    I can't believe there aren't any Team Options or unguaranteed salary on either contract! Good work Walsh! It's this type of tripe as to why I was so vehemently opposed to Walsh's return.

                    Mahinmi only got a "2 year" contract from Dallas with the last year at $900,000, and yet he gets a 4 mil a year for 4 years from Walsh. "Just exactly what did Mahinmi do in Dallas to warrant a 4 year contract with no Team Options or unguaranteed salary?" Ridiculous!! I'll venture a guess that there is no Team Option in Hill's contract either.

                    It's this type of tripe along with overpaying Hill that put the Pacers in the shape they were in when Bird took over. You know the shape Walsh created. Simon wanted his security blanket, welcome to it Herb!

                    Yes, times are a changin in more than 1 way. "I can't believe what I'm about to say", BUT under the current circumstances I'm truly sorry to see Bird leave the Pacers!!! I'm now feeling more than ever it wasn't Bird's health that was the main reason Bird decided to leave.
                    Last edited by Justin Tyme; 07-16-2012, 10:36 AM.

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                      Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

                      Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                      Except for the fact that by the time Scola was released there was no way the Pacers could bid as they were over the cap so there would be no way the Pacers could bid and therefore absolutely no need for his agent to even bother calling. At this point I dont care enough to check the Brand timeline. But it makes for a nice story.

                      Are u the same Bulletproof from years gone by that was rumored to be related by law to Walsh? If so, certainly would explain that constant attempts to defend him, even in situations where its quite obvious he and his staff screwed up in a not so small way.
                      No, he is not.

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                        Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

                        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                        Mahinmi only got a "2 year" contract from Dallas with the last year at $900,000, and yet he gets a 4 mil a year for 4 years from Walsh. "Just exactly what did Mahinmi do in Dallas to warrant a 4 year contract with no Team Options or unguaranteed salary?"
                        Come on, that's just silly. You're honestly shocked that a young big man's second contract is bigger than his first? 4mil/yr is not gonna break us for a backup big man.

                        Ridiculous!! I'll venture a guess that there is no Team Option in Hill's contract either.
                        This worries me a little more. I have a hard time imagining Hill earning that contract over the next 5 years.
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                          Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

                          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                          Come on, that's just silly. You're honestly shocked that a young big man's second contract is bigger than his first? 4mil/yr is not gonna break us for a backup big man.


                          This worries me a little more. I have a hard time imagining Hill earning that contract over the next 5 years.

                          Ist this is Mahinmi's 3rd contract, rookie contract with SA, and 2nd contract Dallas only gave him a 2 years at $900,000. The Pacers just gave Mahimni a 4.5 X's raise "fully guaranteed". This is what you should be concerned about not so much the money. There is no way out of the contract for 4 years if Mahinmi becomes unproductive stiff. His contract then becomes an albatross for the length of the contract. This isn't another JO that Walsh plucked from Dallas.

                          2nd AGAIN, what did Mahinmi do in Dallas to justify Walsh giving that type of contract? Giving a b/u big who is going into his 6th year w/o having made a mark in the NBA a 4 year guaranteed contract for the life of the contract. UNBELIEVEABLE!

                          3rd Why no TO or unguaranteed years? This is what is distrubing to me! It's called CYOA. Walsh didn't cover his, Herb's, or the Pacers with this contract.

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                            Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            This isn't another JO that Walsh plucked from Dallas.
                            It's also nowhere near JO level in terms of $$$.

                            $4M flat contract means even this year alone the contract is only 1/14th of the cap space, with it being less as time goes on. This is not going to be a problem in terms being able to use it for filler in a future trade if needed.

                            We're operating in a vacuum because we don't know what was on the table from other places for Mahinmi.

                            Other than that, though, my predictions are starting to come true. "Thanks, Pritchard, for Green & Augustin, but damn that Walsh for sticking us with Mahinmi!"
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                              Re: Green and Mahinmi deals flat, no options

                              Holy cow Justin Tyme, you're blowing this thing WAY out of proportion.

                              If Mahinmi does exactly what he did last year, he's worth 4 million a year. He doesn't have to do a ton to justify 4 million a year. Just be a solid backup big. That's it. You're making it sound like we gave this guy Hibberts contract or something. A 4 million a year contract isn't a big deal at all. There's nothing unbelievable or outrageous or crazy about it.

                              You're really trying to make something out of nothing.

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