The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

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  • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

    The one thing that matters in this world is the relationships that we develop and the lives that we effect for the future of this world. Hicks, your accomplishment of bringing people together with a common interest has helped develop life long friendships amongst the many here. In my short time here, this board has given me many laughs, insights into basketball that I never knew, and even a few tears. The efforts that the admins put forth towards the management of this website (as seen by the response of the board) have not gone unnoticed, even when many times it may feel that way. Hicks, you are "The Man" for starting this website. This is easily my favorite website. Pacers Digest has positively impacted my life, and for that I am thankful.

    Hicks, able, and the rest of the admins, you are all first-ballot Hall of Famers in my book.
    "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. Ö You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."


    • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

      Names like Pacers Daily sound like daily news websites and blogs. Therefore, I do not like those names. In addition, names like Gold Swagger are two trendy. This forum will be in existence for many years. I would encourage contributors to consider a name that is timeless. The new name should be descriptive and timeless. For example, describes the function of the forum, and describes the community of the forum.

      I vote for or


      • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

        While this has taken longer to put together than I originally thought and I donít think Iíll ever come close to making this as good or as all-encompassing as I wish it to be, what follows is the best I can do without taking a million years to further revise and edit. I'm both busy and unable to fully express my thoughts and feelings. This will have to do.

        I will begin by again thanking everyone for their kind words, their companionship over the past nine years, and all of your contributions to making this a great Pacers forum.

        Shade is a better, wiser person than me, and you are all being left in great hands.

        I can honestly say Iím proud of what PD has become. When I created the Pacers Digest forum, I did it with the established forum on in mind, and I truly believed, ďI can do better than this.Ē I was a participant on other (not Pacer) boards at the time, and using their moderation as an example of how to do things right, I gave it my best shot. Things were rough in the beginning, and I needed help and guidance, and I got it. Heís been gone for years now (and never explained his absence), but from the very beginning I owe a lot to a former poster who went by kerosene. He was the first to reach out to me and offer great advice, and in the early days he was a great moderator for the forum and an equally great advisor to my then-19-year-old self. I doubt heís reading this, but just in case: Kerosene, thank you.

        Man. 19 years old. It was August of 2003, just as my sophomore year at Ball State University was beginning. That was sooo long ago now. My life has changed considerably since then. In fact, some of those changes I owe directly to PD. I met my best friend here. I met many other friends/acquaintances here. I even got a date once (Hi, Kat. ).

        And when I think about it like that, itís undeniable: Pacers Digest changed my life. Beyond the above, it led to making some connections with people involved with the Pacers (both at PS&E and in the media), it TREMENDOUSLY improved my ability to write, to reason, to debate, to research, and to express myself. Iím actually in awe of the totality of the changes when I reflect on them all at once. Itís spectacular, really.

        Along the journey, I developed and changed a lot. I got a lot of things right, and I got plenty wrong as well. Sinatra would say, ďRegrets, Iíve had a few, but then again, too few to mention.Ē I wonít mention mine either, but make no mistake: Theyíve stayed with me. Sometimes they still haunt me. Iím a pretty introspective, sensitive, empathetic individual, and when I dwell on the things I didnít do right, it can almost make me sick. Thatís one thing I wonít miss about moving on: I canít add any more to the list now that Iím not sitting in that chair anymore. If I ever came off as uncaring when I was at my worst, please believe me when I say that I always cared; often too much, actually.

        But whatís done is done. On the positive side, I did an overall pretty damned good job. I stand by most of my decisions. I believe my heart steers me in the right direction more often than not, and I think trusting my instincts and beliefs played a significant role in PD becoming something special.

        Although I may have done my fair share, and itís true that I tried my best to steer this ship in the right direction, I was never alone. The great people who help to administrate this site deserve great thanks from me and from all of you. They were MAJOR allies to me along the way, and they continue to serve the forum even as I am stepping down. This canít be thanked enough.

        I also want to give special thanks to Abel. His contributions run deeper than most will ever realize, and his generosity towards both me and towards this community is absurdly kind. I have never, ever heard of anyone else doing for a website what he has voluntarily done for this one. Heís given a lot of time, a lot of money, and a lot of work. And it continues to this day; amazing. None of us would have had it so good without him.

        Equally as important as all of the above, is the role so many of you have played in the development of the Pacers Digest forum. There have been so many wonderful posts since 2003 from so many of you. Your contributions are the life blood of this forum. So many talented people stop by. Great insights, great thoughts, great reasoning, great analysis, great wisdom, great skill sets, great writing. Itís just fantastic.

        While good administration maintains an inhabitable posting environment, you are all the ones who actually bring this environment to life. Without you, thereís nothing left worth maintaining. Thank you all so much for choosing to come here and contribute. It means everything.

        Something I had underestimated before reading the comments in this thread was the impact PD had on Pacers fans from other states, other countries, and other continents. I hadnít fully appreciated how PD allowed passionate fans from all around the world to mutually discuss and appreciate the team. Thatís very cool, and Iím very happy that it has been a positive place for many of you.

        Before I go, I want to leave you with a few final notes and thoughts.

        First of all, the Pacers Digest name is not going anywhere. I have given the domain to Shade/Abel, and the forum will keep its title.

        Secondly, I wanted to at least partially explain why Iím leaving. Itís a somewhat complicated question/answer, but the essence of it is this: Iím completely burnt out. Itís time for me to step back, if not completely away. Right now, I expect to still post on occasion. The frequency will be determined as things move along. But I am not completely leaving. Not at this point. I am, however, done with administrative duties. That rests on the shoulders of the remaining admins now.

        Finally, I want to share my hope for the future of Pacers Digest. Since its earliest days, the number one principal of this forum has been to maintain a basic level of respect and civility among its posters. This has served us well. But I challenge you all to do even better. Move beyond the basic expectation that posters will not resort to name calling or cursing one another. Strive for a classier community. Expect more maturity. Challenge everyone to be very respectful instead of kind of respectful. Push for more posters to be an emissary for their views, not a bully. Talk up to people instead of down at them. Encourage a community of grown men and women, not big boys and girls.

        I believe in the possibility of an even greater forum. I really, really do. But we have to want it. We have to expect it. We have to encourage it. Every single day. We need to lift everyone else up. To new heights.

        Thank you all so much.


        • Well stated. A lot of us have grown a lot over the last 9 years that weve been here. Looking back, what you did at 19 was pretty special. I think it's cool that you get to spend time here as a regular poster, which is a perspective you really haven't been afforded since this place started up.

          I was a big believer in the idea of pacers digest back then and I still am, and a big part of the reason is the people at the top that created and maintain it. I guess that's my roundabout way of saying thanks for your role in creating something special that we all have enjoyed over the last decade.
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          • Thank you for everything, Hicks. I know what I want to say but I am not wise enough to put it into words. I'm sure Bill or Shade will be able to say it well.

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            • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

              Amazing words from a pretty amazing person and an extremely great friend...
              ...Still "flying casual"


              • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

                You deserve a break Hicks, for you have gone above and beyond. I thank you for leaving the name as well, really classy of you to do so. I wish you only the best as you recharge and chart your course.


                • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

                  Well said, Hicks.

                  To quote (and slightly alter) a famous line I am sure you will recognize and appreciate:

                  Hicks, you have shown your quality, sir - the very highest.


                  • Again, Hicks, thank you so much for everything.

                    Its been a pleasure, and I hope we'll still see you around here!

                    (Waves at Hicks as he rides off into the sunset)
                    Stop quoting people I have on ignore!


                    • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

                      Somebody needs to come up with a photoshopped replica of the Pacers jersey retirement banners that hang at the Fieldhouse with "Hicks" as the name on it.

                      Then, that "jersey" needs to be lifted into the "rafters" at the top of all pages in this website, perhaps as a secondary header under the logo. Without Hicks, this site and all that it means to all of us may never have come to be.


                      • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

                        A bit melodramatic in here, some of you act like he is setting off on a quest from which he may never return. He just don't' want to run the site anymore. Where else is he going discuss his favorite team.

                        You'll be back come training camp. You won't be able to resist this new era Pacer basketball.
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                        • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

                          Hicks for President!

                          heckuva speech
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                          • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

                            It's staying put, after all. Good call, and great post! Hope you stick around.


                            • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

                              Thanks for everything Hicks...


                              • Re: The times, they are a changin'... (important announcement about the future of Pacers Digest)

                                Thanks for everything, Hicks. I would be embarrassed if I knew the total amount hours that I have spent on this forum over the past 9 years, ha. I remember reading the STAR board when I was a teenager back in 03 during the wild offseason that saw Bird come in as President, the re-signing of JO and Reggie, the Miller-Pollard trade, and the firing of Zeke/hiring of Carlisle. Wow, that really was a crazy off season. Anyway, soon after I started reading the STAR board, this site was created and I could quickly tell that all of the great Pacer discussion was moving here. I've been reading/posting ever since. That first season here was so exciting since the team was so good.

                                This really is one of the best message boards in all of sports. The Colts boards are awful. I've yet to find a board for "elite" teams like the Celtics, Knicks, or Lakers that can match this one. The Pacers were not a very good team for the majority of the years that this board has existed, yet it has always remained a top notch message board. That's a true testament to what you have created.
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